A question about Khaine and Space Marines

[Vertigo]

Hey one and all firstly I hope this is in the right place, If not could a kind Mod move to the relevant thread.

Now onto the question, Has there ever been a case of of Space Marines or indeed any of the forces of Imperium being declared traitor and excommunicated for their belief or following of Kaela Mensha Khaine?? Would any Space Marine be able to break his pyscho indoctrination to follow his own thinking as to be able to follow Khaine?? Even the Chaos Space marines?

Thanks for any info given or any ideas on how this could work

Only reason I`d like to know is for CSM army going by name of "Sons of Khaine" I`m tempted to try and do.

Thanks again

[Col. Dracus]

After doing a bit of reading I don't see why Chaos Marines could not follow Khaine. As Khaine is "associated with murder, violence, destruction, and war." Khaine also became the property of the Chaos God Khorne, after he took Khaine from Slaanesh. It would make more since for Chaos Marines to follow Khorne then Khaine, but I guess there could be a cult of Khaine.

[Marius the Possessed]

After doing a bit of reading I don't see why Chaos Marines could not follow Khaine. As Khaine is "associated with murder, violence, destruction, and war." Khaine also became the property of the Chaos God Khorne, after he took Khaine from Slaanesh. It would make more since for Chaos Marines to follow Khorne then Khaine, but I guess there could be a cult of Khaine.

Um, I know that Khorne TRIED to gain possession of Khaine from Slaanesh, but because Slaanesh had just eaten all the other Eldar gods, the two Chaos Gods fought and neither won, and in the meantime Khaine got bumped into a thousand shards that were cast into the material universe.

And I think it would be very difficult to have Space Marines, either loyal or not, following Khaine, as the eldar are xenos and therefore, at best, cautious allies. The closest I think they could come would be if they were controlled by Eldar psykers or something similar; few Space Marines would choose to follow a god that lost to Chaos gods.

[Col. Dracus]

From Lexicanum:
"Khaine is also believed to have been assaulted, defeated, and dominated by Slaanesh sometime after Slaanesh's awakening in the 29th millennium (Imperial Calendar). Following this, Khorne, Chaos God of war, battled Slaanesh for Khaine, rightly claiming the Eldar deity as his property. During their struggle, Khaine was driven into the material world, where he shattered into a thousand pieces. "

[Klajorne]

Is it *likely* to happen? Not really. Is it *possible* to happen? Sure, it's a big universe out there.

Main issue with following Khaine (or any xenos god, really), is that there's no real reason for doing so. I mean, when you worship the Emperor, you get all the perks of being a part of the Imperium (membership includes all you can eat bolter shells) and also the warm fuzzies of being in the Emperor's cult (the Emperor does protect, after all). When you worship the Ruinous Powers, they provide their blessings and perks and a tentacle party for your birthday. There's a reason to go chaos, because there's fortune and fame awaiting them on the other side.

But a space marine company worshiping some xenos religion? They might as well start bowing down to the almighty grub. It's not like Eldar are suddenly going to be buddies with them. There's no sign on bonus. Basically, they gave up worshiping one warrior god that actually answered their prayers, for one that doesn't.

These are the hurdles you have to explain if you're having you're writing your chapter as such. Really, the marines are crazy indoctrinated, so it's not like blind worship isn't in their repertoire, but when the gods are real and give real powers, it's more than superstition that directs them to worship their own cause.

[Deadstar_MRC]

Really, the marines are crazy indoctrinated, so it's not like blind worship isn't in their repertoire, but when the gods are real and give real powers, it's more than superstition that directs them to worship their own cause.

While I'm not going to disagree completely here, as I know the 40K gods do have a bit of an active role in the setting, a lot of what is seen as 'godly powers' is simply forgotten technology, is it not?

Just as an example, Vandire was able to fool the entire cult of the Daughters of the Emperor that he was under the Emperors protection by exploiting the fact he had a Rosarias giving him a 4+ invulnerable save. The Daughters didn't know about this and just thought it was divine intervention on behalf of the Emperor, or some-such.

So while your average Space Marine probably understands a lot more tech then your average human in the 40k world, there are still a lot of chapters deeply rooted in superstition and ritual rather than knowledge and understanding, with many of these beliefs of course stemming from the homeworld from which they recruit.

Would it be viable, then, to have the humans of a world worshipping Khaine, somehow - Eldar trickery or simply past exposure to Khaine worshipping Eldar - which then isn't clearly identified as heretical when such a world is integrated into the Imperium? Maybe they're not exactly clear on who they worship, just some form of war-god which is interpreted falsely as the Emperor and his Astartes, when it's in fact Khaine and the Eldar.

Of course these beliefs then translate to the Chapter founded from this world, thus giving us Khaine worshipping space marines. Maybe at some point they actually become aware that the being they've been worshipping all this time isn't what they thought it was, or some inquisitor investigates them and uncovers the truth.

I could be way off here, but I just thought I'd throw some ideas out that could possibly be viable.

Perhaps a simpler alternative would be an artefact discovery. The chapter in question comes into possession of a weapon or item containing a shard of Khaine, which bestows some kind of power on the wielder. They commence searching and uncover other artefacts and begin worshipping Khaine through either corruption or willing betrayal of their vows for what they see as a greater power. Or Eldar trickery. Whatever works best.

Apologies if I'm being completely ignorant of something or many things here, just hoping to be of some help.

[Marius the Possessed]

From Lexicanum:
"Khaine is also believed to have been assaulted, defeated, and dominated by Slaanesh sometime after Slaanesh's awakening in the 29th millennium (Imperial Calendar). Following this, Khorne, Chaos God of war, battled Slaanesh for Khaine, rightly claiming the Eldar deity as his property. During their struggle, Khaine was driven into the material world, where he shattered into a thousand pieces. "

He CLAIMED Khaine, then fought Slaanesh over him. Nothing about him winning, merely that he yelled 'MINE!' and started wrestling his baby brother, and in the process broke the toy.

[Ulthanesh]

Fluff wise I doubt you'll see Astartes worshipping Khaine, but the beautiful thing about 40k is you can make your own fluff for your own stuff. I've made my own Craftworld Shelwe Slavanhreeur, or song of destiny that's allied to two space marine chapters my friends made, the sons of Christ Marines and Dragon Hearts. I know a guy who made an Ork Waaaggh dedicated to khorne. The Blackskinz Orks. Everyone in my league has made our own fluff for our own faction, the trick is to make the fluff believable.

[Col. Dracus]

He CLAIMED Khaine, then fought Slaanesh over him. Nothing about him winning, merely that he yelled 'MINE!' and started wrestling his baby brother, and in the process broke the toy.

As it stated before "battled Slaanesh for Khaine, rightly claiming the Eldar deity as his property." It was after the fight that he was claiming his prize, as per the order of text. otherwise I believe it would have stated something to the affect of, "Claiming the Eldar deity was his property, Khorne battled Slaanesh." But then again I am no English Major.

[Marius the Possessed]

From the Miriam-Webster Dictionary:

-claim: to demand by or as by virtue of a right; demand as a right or as due

So yeah, "MINE!", wrestle, Khaine goes boom.