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No flaming please. I had a theory here.. What if instead of putting in two glands, a chapter puts in three per marine? Every harvested body would then produce three potential new space marines instead of two. This would be much quicker ranks replenishment and growth.
Is there some flaw I'm overlooking that would make this impossible to do?
Last edited by IcemanUnlimited; May 29th, 2012 at 05:32. Reason: Grammar Fix
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oooo why not 20?
Its probably not in established fluff but the body can probably only handle the effects of 2... some people don't even survive that.
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The fact that there is but so much space in a human body? I'm pretty sure that progenoids are a bit larger than their "standard human equivalents". It could also be due in part to the fact that most of the organs already reject and kill the recipient, so why add another one?
As I understand it, progenoids are not entirely "integrated" into the body - it takes 5 to 10 years for them to mature enough to produce a viable geneseed. Referring again to the "standard human equivalents," which once mature enough for production can create viable reproductive cells in roughly 48 hours. I would imagine that because of the complexity of geneseed, and the fact that it isn't naturally occurring within the body and therefore might be a bit less efficient. Adding a third might cut this efficiency, or increase the rate of mutation within the matured gene-seed.
That said, a Space Marine chapter could -if every candidate survived - replenish it's numbers from 1 to a full 1000 within 11 "cycles" of harvesting progenoids. Figure that it takes 5/10 years for them to mature (7.5 years for the sake of averages) and you're looking at 82.5 years for the chapter to regain full strength. A chapter can come back incredibly quickly, and you have to remember - they're keeping geneseed in reserve for all that time as well.
Aside from tradition, which is a force of nature in the Imperium, there's no practical need to do so. There's fluff on the use of 'donor bodies' to increase the supply of progenoids. It's often done in preparation for creating a new Chapter. Not the most exciting job in the Imperium, I guess, but I don't suppose the poor saps volunteered.
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My guess, hormones.
Basically, there's a complicated chemical balancing act going on in a space marine's body, particularly during implantation. The entire human body is basically being modified on every level, and there's a whole lot of complex chemical balances which have to be maintained. If things become unbalanced the best you can hope for is to die quickly and painfully. That's the good option.
Geneseed was originally designed by the Emperor when he created the Primarchs. Noone around in M41 is going to be improving on existing geneseed because noone really understands how it works. They can grow it into organs and put the organs in people, but that's the limit of understanding. Therefore, noone is going to be designing geneseed which won't **** someone up if you implant two of the same organ into someone.
As Intrepid said, what the Adeptus Mechanicus does is to clone perfectly healthy human specimens and then implant them with organs. Once the geneseed has matured, they kill the clone, harvest the progenoid glands, and then implant it into two new clones. This is why every chapter tithes some of their harvested geneseed to the Adeptus Mechanicus. Compared to implanting in actual marines, it's a much lower risk method and thus it ensures there's always a supply of geneseed around for emergencies or founding new chapters.
As I understand it, the Imperium is fine with using cloned bodies as biomachinery, for creating servitors or growing geneseed, but isn't cool with actually having clones walk around like normal people, hence why they don't just use the clones as marine recruits. There's some old fluff about a high shadowy level conspiracy within the Imperium who occasionally set up labs trying to build clone armies, but for various spooky reasons it never works out like they intended. Mad science doesn't pay in 40k.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; May 30th, 2012 at 02:33.
Yep, that's why geneseed directly from a Marine is considered sacred- it is a spiritual thing to them, though your body may die, you will live on in the chapter's genetic legacy.
Also, I tried to look up what percentage of humans survived the implantation process. I'd have to say that it's above half, but only barely. If it were below half you would see shrinking chapters. One marine would die, give up 2 geneseed, and less than 1 of them would be useable. I think that the "less than half" is the number of recruits who survive the initial training regimens and then survive the implantation process. Considering that many chapters have a "trial by fire" method to selecting candidates, most of which require life-or-death duels between candidates, you can see how fewer than half the men might survive.
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