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What seems to be the emperors problem with essentialy all other races than humans encountered by the empire? I understand the empires dislike of tyranoids and orks ect, but why wage war against the Eldar or the Tau? And, since the empire hates all other races, why do they let creatures like ratlings and ogryns join their ranks in the IG? It seems a bit wierd to me..
The Imperium is under a lot of pressure from all sides and millenia of war and brutality has moulded it into the xenophobic and intraverted place that it is. Ironically, the Emperor himself would most likely despise the Imperium for what it has become, were he still able to do anything about it.
Having said this, however, the Alien races are not exactly friendly. The Eldar are arrogant and especially the expolits of the Dark Eldar has given the Imperium a reason to hate them. As for the Tau, they are perhaps not so bad, but their Imperialism and expansion is of course seen as a threat.
As for the Ogryn/Ratling question, these are not Aliens or mutants. They are humans that have experienced extreme conditions changing their nature and appearance.
the policy of expansion of the imperium actually makes any alien in their way an enemy
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The Imperium is a fascist state where anything which is affiliated outside the Imperium is automatically a threat and therefore an enemy. Humans freak out when they encounter someone with just a little mutation, why do you think they'd do any less for something which is completely inhuman?
There are no good guys in the 40K universe. Certainly Eldar are not good guys- they'd betray humanity in an instant if it saved even one Eldar life.
As for the Emperor's personal opinion on all these races- he's a vegetable. His "will" is interpretted by the highest ranking politicians in the Imperium, and its not terribly likely that they're getting everything he wants exactly right.
Got it in one.Originally posted by JOHIRA!@Jan 11 2005, 084
There are no good guys in the 40K universe. Certainly Eldar are not good guys- they'd betray humanity in an instant if it saved even one Eldar life.[snapback]299364[/snapback]
Eldar are arrogant, capricious and fickle. They change their mind about things whenever it suits them, and consider all other races beneath them. They're ruled by manipulative psykers (you know, the guys who get possessed by daemons and doom entire worlds.) All in all, humans have learned over many long years of experience not to trust them, or any other Xenos, for that matter.
I think the Emperor himself was pretty anti-alien, in that he was pro-humanity. He did conquer most of the galaxy, after all.
not quite, the eldar have quite a bit of time for the Tau who were created by the Old ones. it was the Eldar that caused the Warp storms that blocked off the damocles sector and allowed the tau to mature. however tehy would see the imperuim destroyed if they could
As for the emporer he would despise the Imperium it took what he tried to build and twisted into something completlely against what he wanted, and certain parts the Imperium such as the Dark Angels will refuse ti fight alonside Ogryns and ratlings cos they are mutants.
WELL SAID, NO MORE SQUATS THEY ARE DEAD GET OVER ITOriginally Posted by artificer
Ogryns and Ratlings are NOT mutants! They are the result of human encounters with extreme conditions such as high/low gravity... Genetically, they are as human as you and me...
There bodies have adapted to the conditions on the world that they live hence they have Mutated, also space marines arn't human either as they have been changed to such an extent that you can regard them as another species.
I second the above. Ratlings and Ogryns are mutated (therefore mutants) but the Imperium still allows them to exist. They allowed the squats to exist too, for one reason. They served a purpose for the Imperium.
Squats provided industry and weaponry unmatched by any resource world the Imperium had. If the Imperium had expanded to meet a world inhabited by hobbits they were have incendiary bombed the surface, creating a firestorm killing all the poor little hobbits, and then colonised it.
Ratlings and Ogryns serve as auxiliary soldiers. I'm sure the Imperium would kill any Ogryn or Ratling that revolted, either due to stupidity or disobedience, because then their purpose (loyal fighter) would have vanished.
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Remember that navigators are mutants to. I don't see them being picked on, though maybe that has something to do with the scary death eye.
I think ultimately the line is that mutants who are useful, loyal and are still roughly humanoid are fine, but watch them closely. Any other kind of mutant can burn.
Space marines are an exception, they have a virtually holy status, besides, they aren't 'natural' mutations, they're engineered the way they are. I'd agree though, they're far from being human.
Hobbits = Ratlings = Alive because they're cunning little snipers with the disposition of a rodent.