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    1.)When, how many, and who came out of each founding?
    2.)What happoned to all the Primarchs? I mean fluff wise, their there, then.. gone.
    3.)What decides when a new founding occurs?
    4.)There are a thousand marines in each chapter and about a thousand chapters, my math tells me 1 mill marines, give or take a couple thousand for some of the bigger ones. No offense to anybody, but 10000 IG could kill a space marine chapter in land combat and the navy could probably blow their barges out of the sky before that became a problem, how can a million marines do any good if there are billions of Chaos and a lot nastier opponents out there then IG?
    5.) How can they be effective with technology that no one knows how to fix?
    6.) How did all the "blue prints" of all the technology get lost?
    7.) How does the warp work?
    8.) I know the Emperor created the primarches in the image of himself, then used the geneseed to create the legions, so shouldn't the Marines have more traits like that of their primarch?

    I know this is all fluff but it seem that GW wrote a bunch of ideas down, posted them on a wall, threw darts at them and that was the fluff. Please ease my mind.

    (note: I haven't seen the new codex)

    Three Companies of the 26th Vinancium
    143rd Airborne Badgers (99.9% done)
    159th Corsair Rifles (35% done))
    69th Armored Wall Busters (95% done)

    Total 197 men, 12 tanks, 4 Heavy Artillery Pieces

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    Originally posted by closet_anarchist@Jan 22 2005, 20:24
    I know this is all fluff but it seem that GW wrote a bunch of ideas down, posted them on a wall, threw darts at them and that was the fluff. Please ease my mind.
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    Is that all the bothers you?!

    Then take some more:

    .75 cal rounds are HUGE, but no marine is ever seen oen more than 1-2 ammo clips. Considering that those clips can'tr carry more than 10-20 rounds (judging from size) does than mean than marines fight whole battles with just 40 rounds?...

    9) 1000 per chapter only?! Gimme a break! With recrutment taking 10 years (more?), considering the average caualtie rate, all the chaters should have disappeared long ago...

    10) "only adeptus mechanicus can use it". Riiight... so a gunner has a busted gun in battle an is gonna wait severall hours for a mechanic? Suuure...


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    Don't get me started with the Imperial guard... :realmad:
    Three Companies of the 26th Vinancium
    143rd Airborne Badgers (99.9% done)
    159th Corsair Rifles (35% done))
    69th Armored Wall Busters (95% done)

    Total 197 men, 12 tanks, 4 Heavy Artillery Pieces

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    1/ First founding is before great crusade, created 20 legions. Then the 2nd founding, these great legions were broke down into chapters, the number of chapters depending on the size of the legion. For example the ultramarines were intact, socreated many chapters on Ultramarines geneseed, whereas none were created from the Salamanders due to their oath. Third, Fourth, Fifth foundings etc happened down the centuries as marine chapters were destroyed to pick up the battle losses. (Remember it takes 55 years to make a new chapter).

    2/This going to take me ages to type <_< .

    Loyal Primarchs:

    Lion El&#39; Jonson is held withing the Rock by the watchers in the dark
    Jaghatai Khan is missing (Chased Dark Eldar into the webway)
    Lemann Russ is missing, said he would return &#39;for the wolftime&#39;
    Rogal Dorn Killed (in a space hulk during a black crusade)
    Sanguinius same (Killed by Horus).
    Ferrus Manus dead (Missing at Isstvan V)
    Roboute Guilliman killed by Fulgrim
    Vulkan missing
    Corax left for Eye of Terror (missing)

    Traitors Primarchs:

    Fulgrim: Daemon Prince
    Perturabo: Daemon Prince
    Konrad Curze, aka Night Haunter: assassinated by Callidus M&#39;Shen
    Angron: Daemon Prince
    Mortarion: Daemon Prince
    Magnus the Red: Killed by Leman Russ
    Horus: killed by the Emperor
    Lorgar: Daemon Prince
    Alpharius: killed by Guilliman

    3/The Adeptus Terra do.....

    4/Wel,l you must remember they have had to greatly weaken the marines compared to the books/fluff. Otherwise 10 marines would kill entire armies. If you want to see this in action, use the movie marines rules from WD300 (7 marines =1500 army). Besides this the Imperial Navy and Guard are seperate organisations with seperate commands (unlike marines) and would never act in a combined manner against them Besides, they are on the same team anyway.

    5/ You must remember that the technology is lost "to the masses". While noone knows many of the secrets, the Adeptus Mechanicus know much of the technology that is in use, and the techmarines of chapters are adepts of the Adeptus Mechanicus. So basically they have enough to get by, and their vessels and equipment are thousands of years old anyway.

    6/ After the Dark Age of technology, the Age of Strife began, and humanities galactic civilisation was ruined. Warp storms made travel impossible, much was destroyed and reverted to savagery. The information was help in STC systems used to hold technical data. Over the age of strife much was destroyed and fought over, or lost. When the great crusade began the Emperor sent his forces to gather as much STC as possible, and so what they could they gathered as much as possible, and the Adeptus Mechanicus studied and hoarded it, and it became the technology of the Imperium today. However much was destroyed or never recovered.

    7/Ive been patient with typing, but I cant be bothered due to the length of the answer required. Look here.

    8/ Well when you think of it, the character of most chapters is related more to their primarch than the Emperor. E.g. The Salamanders fight like their master Vulkan, using hammer and flame. Leman Russ, the old wolf styled the Space Wolves, with their Wolfen and whatnot, Sanguinius was the purest primarch (and originally the Blood Angels had a reputation for purity). They have a lot more influence on the chapter&#39;s traits than the Emperor himself.

    I would just like to say, before you start claiming fluff doesn&#39;t exist, you could always have done this research yourself?

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    4. In addition to what&#39;s already been said. Dead doesn&#39;t neccesarily mean dead in 40k world, it means &#39;unable to fight any further.&#39; With the skill of apothecaries and their natural toughness, I&#39;d guess that many of the &#39;killed&#39; space marines actually survive.

    Also, space marines are highly specialised elite troops. Maybe the battles you fight with them will actually represent the rare moments when they&#39;re thrown into front line combat with superior numbers of enemies. For the most part, they&#39;re probably too valuable for that, and will be attacking important, vulnerable locations. Drop pods are clearly designed for this purpose.

    Finally, 10 years isn&#39;t a long time in the 40k universe, considering that the part the game routinely concerns itself with is still about 4000 years long.

    7. In a few words, the warp is a parallel universe of seething chaotic energy where space and time are radically distorted. It sprung into being at the same time as the real universe, and is shaped by the emotions of living creatures, creating daemons and the chaos gods.

    8. Space marines are imperfect copies of the primachs, just as primachs are imperfect copies of the Emperor.

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    Finally, there are not neccesarily billions of chaos. Consider.

    The five major legions had about 30,000 marines each, if I remember correctly, which is improbably since I have no access to books right now.

    Chaos legions have great trouble producing new marines, until &#39;recently&#39;, only Fabius bile could do it.

    Certain legions, like the Emperor&#39;s Children, have suffered horrific casualty rates throughout the years.

    My guess is that there are significantly fewer chaos space marines than regular space marines, and certainly fewer Traitors/Cultists than there are regular Imperial Guard. They make up for it by having an &#39;unassailable&#39; base of operations (the eye of terror), and consequentially, the ability to wait out their opponents defences and attack at the time and place of their choosing.

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    Originally posted by The_Giant_Mantis@Jan 22 2005, 18:31
    Finally, there are not neccesarily billions of chaos. Consider.

    The five major legions had about 30,000 marines each, if I remember correctly, which is improbably since I have no access to books right now.

    Chaos legions have great trouble producing new marines, until &#39;recently&#39;, only Fabius bile could do it.

    Certain legions, like the Emperor&#39;s Children, have suffered horrific casualty rates throughout the years.

    My guess is that there are significantly fewer chaos space marines than regular space marines, and certainly fewer Traitors/Cultists than there are regular Imperial Guard. They make up for it by having an &#39;unassailable&#39; base of operations (the eye of terror), and consequentially, the ability to wait out their opponents defences and attack at the time and place of their choosing.
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    What about the hordes of un dead zombies they have?
    Three Companies of the 26th Vinancium
    143rd Airborne Badgers (99.9% done)
    159th Corsair Rifles (35% done))
    69th Armored Wall Busters (95% done)

    Total 197 men, 12 tanks, 4 Heavy Artillery Pieces

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    My guess is that there are significantly fewer chaos space marines than regular space marines, and certainly fewer Traitors/Cultists than there are regular Imperial Guard. They make up for it by having an &#39;unassailable&#39; base of operations (the eye of terror), and consequentially, the ability to wait out their opponents defences and attack at the time and place of their choosing.
    Less csm than sm, they are legions sized, with most of them at least 100.000 troops tall, also ever heard of a guy called Fabius Bile.

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    Chaos has zombies? I never heard of that...

    Chaos will loose. Their numbers are all the time falling and I guess that no more Space Marines want to join the Dark Side.

    I think that IF you used all the Space Marine Chapters, Witch Hunters and Deamon Hunters you could destroy Chaos once and for all. The Imperial Guard can handle the situation on their own, and if the SMs left some defence no one would get through.
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    I think that IF you used all the Space Marine Chapters, Witch Hunters and Deamon Hunters you could destroy Chaos once and for all. The Imperial Guard can handle the situation on their own, and if the SMs left some defence no one would get through.
    You have to remember that you lose more than half your fleet just reaching them. You then have to fight them in a universe that fights by their rules, not yours. Many have sent huge numbers of men against chaos, all of them never being seen again.
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