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    If the imperium is at a low point in its existance, that mean't that at one time they were better. What was it like before the emperor and the Darkage and how did it get that way?

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    I'm having a hard time remembering all the details..but at some point humanity had reached it's peak.(yup..that means it will never be that good again..suck don't it?)At that time they had man-made races known as the "Men of Stone" and "Men of Iron' that served humanity.One of them (can't remember which one) rebelled and seriously screwed stuff up.then Ole' Slaany was born and the warp storms her birth created cut Earth off form the rest of humanity,which furthered the civiliation's decline.It was pretty much a steady decline since then,untill the Empoer came along and brought the decline to a stand still.things improved a little bit,but then the Heresy occurred,and things have been pretty stagnant since then.It's a bleak situation all in all and keeps getting worse.

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    Edicus, have you got Slaanesh the wrong way round? I thought that it was Slaanesh's pre-natal stages that caused the warp storms and his birth that becalmed it (It's possibly in the Eldar article on Criticalhit). It was the birth of Slaanesh that allowed the reconquering of the lost human colonies by the Emperor.

    What Edicus said otherwise is right; the Iron Men (robots of some description, especially if you read First and Only) rebelled against the Stone Men and caused the Age of Strife. But this was after the Dark Age of Technology, something that wasn't the Golden Age of Humanity. That was caused by the extinction of the Gold Men (no idea who they are, really) a few centuries (or millenia, not sure) after the Stellar Exodus. Again, can't remember why.

    My source for this is an article written by an Imperial Scribe, it's at the back of the 3rd ed. rulebook if you've got it. Maybe it gives fuller reasons than that.

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    why does alot of this sound like the start of the moive Dune???
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    Good question. What is the start of Dune (bearing in mind it was a book first, I don&#39;t remember reading much like that)?

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    Originally posted by DBclay@Feb 8 2005, 08:10
    why does alot of this sound like the start of the moive Dune???
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    I haven&#39;t seen the film, but I&#39;d presume it refers to the whole robot rebellion thing.

    It&#39;s a pretty widely used idea in a lot of science fiction. But I guess it kind of explains why there are not that many sentient machines (machine spirits?) in 40k outside of relic-vehicles like titans and land raiders. Even the land raider one only has a BS of 2 so it&#39;s clearly not that clever.

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    Originally posted by The_Giant_Mantis@Feb 8 2005, 19:52
    I guess it kind of explains why there are not that many sentient machines (machine spirits?) in 40k outside of relic-vehicles like titans and land raiders.
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    I thought that Titans had their Princeps controlling things, not handing it over to a machine spirit at any point. Ah well, you learn something new every day.

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    Originally posted by Xerxes@Feb 8 2005, 19:47
    I thought that Titans had their Princeps controlling things, not handing it over to a machine spirit at any point. Ah well, you learn something new every day.
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    I&#39;m just going off the rulebook here. But it specifically states that a Titan has a machine spirit. I think the process is a little different, though. Basically, the &#39;pilot&#39; (not entirely sure on the various crew positions, is the princeps the guy who controls the thing directly?) is wired into the machine spirit. That&#39;s why they need a lifetime of training, otherwise they go nuts at having this raging, angry sentience plugged into their head.

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    Yeah, the Princeps is wired into the Titan. Generally in the head, if the Eldar model is anything to go by. And I do remember the whole "lifetime of training"ness from somewhere.

    And sorry I can&#39;t get online, MSN&#39;s being arsey.

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    Originally posted by Xerxes@Feb 8 2005, 101
    Edicus, have you got Slaanesh the wrong way round? I thought that it was Slaanesh&#39;s pre-natal stages that caused the warp storms and his birth that becalmed it (It&#39;s possibly in the Eldar article on Criticalhit). It was the birth of Slaanesh that allowed the reconquering of the lost human colonies by the Emperor.
    Actually, Slaanesh is younger than the re-colonizations. He was awakended on Tallarn after the Eldar screwed up. The Tallarn miners stumbled upon an ancient tomb and before they knew it Slaanesh was awakened again...
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