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OK here's a fun question: How many Imperial Guard divisons (or battalions, or whatever they call armies) would it take to wipe out EVERY space marine chapter?
I was originally going to ask who would win if all the IG and every SM chapter had a war, but then I remembered the sheer scale of the Imperial Guard and realized the marines wouldn't stand a chance.
So what do you think? one hundred, two hundred planets worth to extinguish humanity's finest?
EDIT: Sorry if this has been debated before, I don't remember it ever being talked about.
Last edited by Kahoolin; April 9th, 2005 at 05:13.
I'd say 1000 battalions. Plus the Imperial Navy would have no trouble wiping out the Space Marine combined navy.
Three Companies of the 26th Vinancium
143rd Airborne Badgers (99.9% done)
159th Corsair Rifles (35% done))
69th Armored Wall Busters (95% done)
Total 197 men, 12 tanks, 4 Heavy Artillery Pieces
Have the navy catch them all whilst they're still on board, just pray they don't board you.
I doubt any single imperial ship could stand upto a boarding action from marines, they'd get seriously hammered (thunderhammered!)
Depends, with enough guardsman you could catch them off guard at somepoint, however to keep the guard casualties to a minimum I'd go for shooting the hell out of them rather than close combat lol.
Several forgeworlds worth of battle tanks should do the job You'd just need alot of crew to go in them
Actually, wouldn't it be a cool campaign to have Ultramar declared hereticus and send wave after wave of guard and inquisitors to bring back the head of Calgar???
If it was just the Imperial Guard... versus all of the Space Marines, not including the Grey Knights. Well, I'd say before the Imperial Guard won, they would be so decimated the Guard would only number about a trillion. Think about it, the Space Marines (in the fluff) are men so strong it takes a missle, plasma weaponry, or a tank shell to blow through their bodies and their armour. They are wearing the most advanced armour of the time and carry the 41st century equivilant of a fully automatic RPG. They are trained in the tactics and stratigies of the best military officers that ever lived. They can go for weeks without sleep in almost any enviroment. And thats just the basic soldier. That is backed up by guys with jump backs, guys in terminator armour, guys in Dreadnaughts, guys in tanks from the Vindicator to the Land Raider.
The Space Marines simply wouldn't be brought down so easily. But they would be taken down eventually. It's way easier to throw a man with a flak vest and a lasgun into a battle than it is to throw a fully trained space marine into battle because it takes longer to train the space marine.
A real desiding factor in how long the war lasted is the outside influences. Sisters, Knights, Eldar, Orks, Necron, ect.
the worth of a Space Marine is based on their tactical uses as oppose to their direct "killing power" in an all out war i doubt Marines could press home their advantages and would be defeated by a war of attrition.
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I'm going to have to disagree with that. I don't think it likely that anyone could defeat marines with a war of attrition. They are extremely self sufficient. They practically never need sleep, they can eat anything, and are very resilient. The only chance of taking them out would have to be an orbital bombardment or naval battle in my opinion.Originally Posted by Shadows Coil
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i'm actually thinking of the Gene Seed issue it only needs some well placed sniper fire to remove the Chapter's Apothecaries and behold you've got a Chapter that's unable to replenish it's losses.
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A war of attrition would most certainly kill off the Space Marines in my opinion, they aim to be hard hitting, elite troops, they're not trained for an attrition war.Originally Posted by Shadows Coil
lol, that would be so funny!!Originally Posted by GeneralLoz
lets look at the question from a couple of points of view-
if the marines are considered as powerfull as they are in the game, with no reference to fluff, we know that including support vechicles on both sides, a ratio of 4 guarsdmen to every SM will result in the SM being annihilated.
if we assume that there are 1000 chapters, each with 1000 marines, that means you would require 4 million guardsmen to annihilate hunanitys finest,
I'd imagin the permenant garrison of Cadia alone is atleast ONE BILLION guardsmen.
so in game terms, all the marines in the galaxy could attack cadia and the ywould be wiped out entirely in a matter of days.
now, from a fluff perspective, a marine could easily out shoot and kill in close combat- 20-30 guardsmen, if we take in to account the gorrila warefar and sudden strikes of the SM, i think a kill ratio of 50 guarsdmen to each marine isnt unlikly.
this means it would require 50 million guarsdmen to wipe out the marines, which is still only 1/10th of the permenant garrison of Cadia.
of course, if all the marine models around the world were collected up, and fought a battler over severa lacres of woodland versus all the guardsmen models in the world, the marines would have atleast twice as many men and would annihilate the IG
I think it'd be the other way round. The IG would outnumber the SM 10:1Originally Posted by melta
Just think, a normal Troops choice for SM is 10 SM's max, for IG its anything between 25-55, now imaginge pitting each 10 SM against 55 Guardsmen, some of which are the command squad so from a fluff perspective would be better equipped to fight them.
Then multiply that effect by whatever the number is (I'm not so brilliant with maths) and you'll get your result, in theory the only way to test it would be for every GW store to stop selling their SM and IG figures and gather everyone who has SM and IG figures from around the planet and find somewhere large enough for them to have one hell of a battle.
But I do agree with what Shadows Coil said, eliminate or contaminate the gene-seed and the Space Marines would be unable to replenish their losses and would eventually die out anyway, even if they're not fighting the guard.