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You know, I've been thinking. What do you guys think would've happened to with the Imperium if:
A) The Heresy hadn't taken place
The Emperor got off his golden toilet/throne
C) Without marines
Just some random questions, hoping to see some interesting replies!
1. a 40k with no heresy is for the most part unfair for all the other races because we have 20 primarchs stomping around. (18 maybe). Plus the emperor and horus could just glare at something and they would die.
2. The emperor is stuck in his throne/toilet. If he gets off he dies
3. 40k is NOTHING without the mighty space marines! NOTHING!!!
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I think it'd make the story more interesting. Less ĂĽber-warriors to worry about.
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Interesting questions.Originally Posted by Syphonides of Orell
A. First of all, I think the 40k universe wouldâ€™ve been vastly different if there hadnâ€™t been a Heresy. Not only would the Imperium itself be different both politically and religiously, but the entire galactic map wouldâ€™ve looked different. Without the Heresy, the Emperor would likely still be around, and with him all the knowledge of the Dark Age of Technology. The Imperium would be a place of science and fact, not myth and fanatical faith. There would be no Imperial Cult, seeing as the Emperor never saw Himself as a god and didnâ€™t approve of worship, and many of the other Imperial institutions would also be different or non-existent. The Adeptus Mechanicus would not have monopoly on technology, and possibly wouldnâ€™t even exist, instead having been replaced with a corps of scientists and engineers led by the Emperor Himself.
The Space Marines would still be divided into Legions, probably without any successor Chapters since Legions unlike Chapters have no limit to the number of Marines they can include. There would be no gene-curses or freak mutations among the Marines, and perhaps there wouldnâ€™t even be Space Marines anymore, but something else designed by the Emperor to replace them after the Great Crusade. The Primarchs might still be alive, though we canâ€™t know for sure if theyâ€™re actually immortal or just very long-lived; possibly there would have been created new Primarchs if/when the old ones died. The Great Crusade wouldâ€™ve been ended successfully, all of mankind united under the Imperial rule.
Chaos would have been forced back to the Eye of Terror or even further; though there would still be individuals falling to the temptations of the Dark Gods, there would be no Traitor Legions serving them, denying the dark powers both Marines and Daemon Princes, and there would be whole Legions opposing the few Chaos forces that would dare challenge the Imperial might. Since most of Chaosâ€™ resources seem to stem from the Imperium itself, it would be a much less significant factor in the world of 40k with no Heresy to disturb the power balance.
It might even be that the Emperorâ€™s plans to facilitate humanityâ€™s ascension to a psychic race would have succeeded, forever changing the fate of the human race. The Imperium would be truly unstoppable then.
B. If the Emperor one day woke up in the current world of 40k, I guess it would cause somewhat of a ruckus. I doubt the High Lords and other high-ranking officials would like a living god to tell them how to rule, and thereâ€™s always the risk of the Emperor disapproving of what his Imperium has become since His ascension to the Golden Throne. The Imperial Cult would probably be changed or even abandoned entirely, seeing as the Emperor needs loyal subjects rather than fanatical worshippers. He would likely begin a Second Great Crusade to finish what was started 10,000 years ago, possibly making more Space Marines in order to do so by expanding the existing Chapters and add new ones; perhaps he would even try the whole Primarch experiment one more time. And then he would likely return to his great work, once again striving to make humanity a powerful psychic race.
That is, if the High Lords didnâ€™t get Him assassinated first.
C. Without Space Marines there would have been no Imperium in the first place. After the Age of Strife the Emperor used the very first Space Marines to take control of Terra, easily crushing any opposition, then used them to threaten Mars into submitting to him and help him built the vast fleets of space crafts that his Marines would use to launch the Great Crusade and create the Imperium from the scattered remnants of humanity. Without Primarchs and Marines, this would simply not have been possible.
If the Marines were to disappear suddenly in the current world of 40k, I think things would look very bad for the Imperium. Not only would morale suffer greatly, there would also be an acute lack of powerful shock troops that couldnâ€™t be replaced by ordinary Imperial Guard. The Imperial forces would be forced to retreat before the onslaught of the enemies of humanity, losing gradually more Imperial space until all of humanity would eventually be dead or enslaved by alien races or Chaos. It might take a long time, but without Marines I doubt it would be possible to keep the Imperium together. Space Marines really are the defenders of humanity, after all.
Well, thatâ€™s my opinion. Iâ€™m looking forward to hear what other people think might be the answer to those questions.
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I'm thinking, if there wasn't a Human Heresy, maybe there'd be other races that'd had a Heresy!
In a way, the Eldar had to cope with a Heresy. That resulted in the birth of the Eye of Terror.
Maybe there could be other races out there waiting for a great Chaos induced schizm.
How about the Tau? Or maybe the Necron? Heh...that'd be interesting! To see the C'tan toys pitted against Chaos necrons!
You have picked two out of the possible three least likely to fall to chaos.
Tau aren't seduced by chaos due to the fact they have almost no imprint in the warp. Having a barely existant imprint in the warp, combined with their extremely cohesive empire due to the leadership of the Ethereals means the chances of chaos Tau are practically non-existant.
Necrons aren't seduced by chaos due to the fact that they are generally unthinking automata who are slaves to the will of the C'tan. Besides this, the C'tan are the Necron gods and the warp is anathema to them, one of their purposes is to exterminate the creations of the warp.
So those two races.....no. However it is possible with other races somewhat. Chaos Eldar, interesting and not-impossible.
Chaos Orcs, well:
But Necrons and Tau? No.
Okay, I was only mocking about with the Necron, but!
The Tau aren't as unlikely to fall to Chaos.
Who says that Chaos "infestations" so you will, only occur to beings that come into contact with the warp? Artifacts or others might do the same. Imagine a Tau ethereal being taken over by a daemon. Then, its influence could slowly wax and take over other Tau.
If the hersey hadn't happened then I think that the Tyranids would have a serious fight on their hands if they ever tried to take all of the human galaxy. The way the fluff sounds the Tryranids could sneeze and destroy the human race.
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1. If there was no Heresy, then Humanity would win. Asking what would happen if there was no Heresy would be like asking what would happen if there was no Fall of the Eldar. There'd be Eldar everywhere, that's what would happen. Same for the Heresy.
2. The Imperium would be split asunder in civil war as the Inquisition breaks into its relevant factions - Amalathians, Thorians, Monodominates - and argues over what to do with the awakened Emperor. The Ecclsiarchy would be pretty much ****ed, pardon my French, since they've said all along that the Emperor is a god and gods don't come down and tell you how it's done. The Marines would all appear to pay homage and the first thing the Emperor would ask is "Why are all the Dark Angels wearing dresses?"
3. No marines, Humanity would never have won the Crusade. Ever. It doesn't matter how many imperial guard you have, the Marines are only just able to match the xeno races in strength and size. Humanity is naturally weak. No marines, then the Imperium would have been crushed by those alien dudes that could adapt to fit any environment. The Lamarians or something. The Emperor's Children killed them all. I don't care.
These questions are pretty pointless. I love pointless questions. Syphonides gets a cookie for being pointless.
*shows off his cookie*
Okay, in the light of pointless questions, here's round two!
What would the WH40K universe be like if...?
A) The tights wearing pansy Eldar (I'm not prejcudiced :mad: ) didn't have their "Oohooh, let's do some decadent stuff. Oops, now there's an Eye in the sky. It scares me. Let's call it the Eye of Terror" phase.