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yeah, I've been thinking about writing a story about a Pre-Heresy space marine, but i dont know much about the time and such, so i need some assistance from you fine, upstanding citizens (hehehe..yeah, right) He's a Word Bearer, and i want to take it from the time he was inducted into the Chapter, the time of the Great Crusade, and end when the legion turns
any help is welcome! anything at all, though please no flaming..thanks in advance
I'm trying to do something similar.. Pre heresy space marines were somewhat different.
If you don't mind spending far too much cash, the Horus Heresy artbook seems like a fairly good idea. It looks to have a fair bit of info, and the artwork looks fantastic. I will get my copy when I have the cash to spare.
Firstly, before the Heresy the word chapter didn't mean anything. The space marines were divided into 20 legions, and there was no breaking off to form new chapters. The legions varied in size, but they were all much bigger than a modern day chapter.. The legions were all directly led by their primachs, though they still had a very similar command heirachy. Companies in the legions were, apparently, 1,000 marines each, rather than 100.
The great crusade, as far as I know, was very, very long. It started out with just the space marines, but after a while the Imperial guard was created to fill in the gaps between the legions. I think many guard regiments were in direct service to the legions themselves. The Imperial fleets and titan legions were the same.. They were often controlled by the space marines, though not neccesarily crewed by them.
During the great crusade humans fought against all kinds of enemies, including non-Imperial human worlds, chaos cults, orks, Hrud and all kinds of nasties. In fact, just about everything except for Tyranids, Necrons and, obviously, chaos marines.
I don't know much about how the word bearers fell because I don't have their Index Astrates article. But from what I do know they were super religious, but when the Emperor told them he wanted warriors and not disciples, they felt betrayed. Their chaplains, I think, slowly developed an increasingly wierd doctrine which eventually led them to worship the chaos gods, who actually wanted and rewarded their faith. I may be wrong, but I think Lorgar was the first primach to actually abandon the Imperial cause and worship chaos, before the Heresy even begun. It should have been a bit of a wake up call, but it obviously wasn't.
Anyway.. that's all I know.
cool, but i meant "Chapter" to mean in relation to the other 20, i know about how they were reformed after the Heresy and such
i'm thinking i'll have it in the perspective of the chaos marine dictating to some scribe thing, i dont know why he would, but i think it would be cool to begin with the line "Yes..I remember" it just sounds cool
i think i'll have him be one of the marines that accompanied the Emperor to meet Lorgar, anyone have any info about that?
Well if you're going to do it that way, you could have him be captured by the big =I=
"They are my space marines and they shall know no fear, for they are fear incarnate." ~ Konrad Curze (Night Haunter), Primarch of the Night Lords Legion
"Adeo mori servus Imperator Fictus
Ave Dominus Nox" (So die the slaves of the False Emperor. Hail to the Lord of the Night.) ~ Talonmaster Zso Sahaal [Lord of the Night, p.68]
I don't think the big =I= interrogate captured chaos marines.. They just put them down. It's safer that way.Originally Posted by LBellouny
I think the crusade was about 2000 years long.. so I wouldn't have him around at both the beginning and the end. Even space marines don't normally live that long without a little help.
yeah, i agree, an Inquisitor would kill his own mother if he thought she was touched by Chaos, so he wouldnt even think about smoking some Chaos Marine
and i want him to be there for the entirety of the Great Crusade as to get another veiw of what was happening,
like hes some higher-up in the Word Bearers so he'd be favored by Lorgar (and the Emperor at one time) and thus have access to equipment that would keep him around for a long time
and a bitter old guy, whos ancient even by the standards of his kind, would be just fun to portray think a mixture of clint eastwood and sean connery and through in a bit of that anger and resentment that u have yourself and i think thats a winner ^_^
question: for the sake of description, do space marines do their own hair, like cut it and stuff? because some have a military haircut and others have long hair etc etc, so is it a chapter thing or a personal thing?
Last edited by sonofslaanesh; June 17th, 2005 at 16:19.
Interesting question.. I think it's personal.Originally Posted by sonofslaanesh
There's a reason militaries and prisons use cropped hair.. it removes personal differences, and (in the former case) it's more functional in combat, it doesn't get in the way.
But there are certainly space marines with long hair. Look at the space wolves.
Originally Posted by The_Giant_Mantis
Also shorter hair is less likely to become infested with parasites or have unsanitary things caught in it. It depends on the chapter, though Im sure the Codex Astartes has guidelines for proper personal grooming.
"Remember, a chainsword is not a razor."
Actually, nearly all CSM are ten thousand years old. They've been sustained by the chaos gods and by the warped passing of time in the Eye of Terror. It states that in the CSM codex.
true, and my guy would be super old, but this ends at the end of the Horus Heresy, i've started writing a bit of it, and i'll post it soon.Originally Posted by ze_poodle
and yur right, i asked my dad (who knows more about the world than any mortal should)and he said pretty much the same thing, militay and prisons shave hair to limit fleas etc, but Space Marines are supposed to be "perfect" so i think its just a uniformity thing, Chaos Marines would probably have crazy hair, right?