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I just got the new tyranid codex(dont know why, it called too me) and after reading the fluff I must say that they are the scariest thing in 40K, I mean they are invincible, i dont think that the galaxy has a chance to win at all, even if everyone united.....
Also, IMO, i think the reason the tyranids are invading the galaxy is because of the power of the astronomican, I think they are attracted to it, and its power, or maybe they can sense the powerful psykers that generate it and the amazing strength they can get...
Any thoughts? Ideas?
I think part of the idea of the new Tyranids book was to scale up the threat severely.
But we have to put it into perspective.. every codex goes on and on about how big and bad its favourite race is. The Necron codex in particular can be acused of being just as overpowered in its fluff.
The Tyranids are a big threat, but the 40k galaxy is a big place.. Hive fleets can be halted and even destroyed, albeit at great cost. Given it has the resources of billions of worlds at its command, the Imperium has a good claim, probably the best, to being able to pay that cost. Humans also breed quickly, after all.
The most important thing, also, is that noone has any idea of how many Tyranids there are. Okay, Tigurius has actually seen the hive mind, but noone else has even the vaguest clue. For all we know, Leviathan could be the last have fleet, or the last hive fleet for many many years, allowing Ultramar time to rebuild and dig in.
Finally, the orks and necrons have an equal claim to being unkillable.
And you may be right about the astronomicon, however, since Tyranids don't feed on psychic energy, it seems unlikely that's what's attracting them. It would probably be more like a moth to candle effect, kind of 'ooh.. look at the pretty light!'
I agree. Nids' are a big threat but they are not the "end-all-beat-all" threat. No race is. I mean there are more orks than nids. Plus we "don't know" how many fleets are out there that's the point. Ther could be many, but on the other side of the coin there may only be 3 more. We don't know. Plus once cut off from the hive mind nids can serve chaos... All that's required is a little injection of the obliterator techno-virus in one of the producing hive ships, a $hit load of sorcerors and some time on your hands. Oh no... I hope I haven't sparked a whole new argument... :cool:
omg... obliterator carnifexes with daemonic gifts... what a scary thought...
yes scary, but how could you say there are more orks then tyranids?????? The tyranids absorb all bioogical material from a planet, including dead orks, the orks are only a speed bump to the tyranids, once the tyranids defeat a bunch of orks there DNA and everything and there dead bodies etc. are all added to the hive mind, making them an endless tide of enemies
as for seeing the hive mind, who is this tigurius guy?? share the details
but now that the orks have been brought up, what if the orks and Hrud united, along with every other race etc. in the galaxy, i thinik we would have a much greater chance then, with the exception of crons of course, they just kill anything and everything.....
The fact is that GW did make the the Tyranids a much bigger threat than before. But lets be honset, if they were really THAT powerful why would then send their fleets in one at a time? Wouldn't it make more sense to send, oh I don't know, a swarm? But the other thing to consider is that GW fluff will never go far enough to let one race take over, that would destroy the TT game, which is whats most important. Besides, all that it would take is the destruction of the over.. I mean hivemind :lol: and the hive fleets would be thrown into disorder. So after all that rambling, the point is that no, the Tyranids are not some unstobable race, no more so then the Necrons, Orks, Chaos, ect.
well, wouldnt they be harder to stop than necrons orks chaos etc.??? i mean the hive mind is in another galaxy or out of reach of our own right???? not sure just asking, also at the time of the current hive fleet, there are 2 of them attacking at once, so the whole send more than one hive fleet idea is kinda pointless, because you have leviathan(or is it behemoth) coming at the galaxy from below or watever and cutting it close to terra, and you have the kraken splinter fleets in the ultima segmentum/ eastern fringe destroying craploads of stuff because of how eratic they are in tehre movements and the imperiums concentration on the other hive fleet....
Orks are a little more hardcore than that..Originally Posted by chaos0xomega
There's a theory going around that orks were engineered as a kind of immune system for the galaxy. There are two prongs to this argument:
1) When orks die, they release spores.. which means that the more orks die the more orks are being born. This means that when orks die en masse, the next generation will be even bigger, and so on until the threat is annihilated in a tide of greenskin bodies.
2) Orks fight each other a lot.. except when there's something important for them to fight. The bigger the threat, the more ork tribes and klans stop beating each other up and band together. The response is therefore proportional to the threat.
The Imperium has been fighting the orks for millenia, yet the orks still control as many worlds as the Imperium does.. There's a good argument for them being almost invincible. They also 'evolve' on a racial level as well as Tyranids do (if there's a problem, a mek, dok or other wierd ork subrace will 'intuitively' come up with a solution simply because it feels orky to do so), and have a similar communal psychic presence (it's amazing how similar the Waaagh is to the hive mind.)Tigurius is the chief librarian of the ultramarines chapter. Lately, he's become disturbingly intuitive about the movements and plans of the hive fleets.. There's a rumour in the ultramarines chapter (which I believe has been semi-confirmed in another piece of Tigurius fluff in which he describes the psychic presence of the hive mind in great detail) that Tigurius has actually tapped in to the hive mind, and is capable of reading and drawing information from it. The SM codex mentions that, if this is true, Tigurius will be confirmed as one of the most powerful psykers in the Imperium, as a mere glimpse of the hive mind would drive most people insane.Originally Posted by chaos0xomega
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; June 17th, 2005 at 23:24.
wow, the orks are a lot more hardcore than i thought, maybe there is a connection between orks and nids????? like the nids and orks were once the same species but the orks broke away and fled to this galaxy and the nids are hunting them???? or maybe the orks were created to feed the hive mind and they fled for that reason? interseting...
Well, the map of the galaxy in the rulebook has been made rather lousy with the new nid codex. I drew out where the nids are now, and its maybe quadrupled in size.The waaagh doesnt stop warp travel and burn out enemy psykers, does it? :cool:(it's amazing how similar the Waaagh is to the hive mind.)Really? I thought that since they know everything instinctively, they had trouble learning new things?if there's a problem, a mek, dok or other wierd ork subrace will 'intuitively' come up with a solution simply because it feels orky to do so
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