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was he a psycotic mutant drivwen by xenocide and megolomania, or a visionary intent on guiding humanity through to its next stage of evolution and preservign it form the curruption of chaos?
First, was he a man? Some claim he is one of the old ones in Human form!! To answer your question, a little of both. He wanted man to dominate, so therefore he is a xenophobic little ****, but he also wanted man to be all it could be, so you could look at it from either perspective.
Konrad Curze thought he was a hypocrite, because to kill some orcs or some heretics was fine, but to obliterate a planet to get rid of it entirely, now you've gone too far!! :p
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Mostly the second one. He's not an old one :rolleyes: . He was born just like any other human. He was a mutant however, in the sense that he was/is the most powerful psker in the history of the Imperium. The one thing you can be certain of however is that he did not want the Imperium to be the way it is now. The last thing he wanted was to be worshipped as a god. He's even been quoted as saying he is not a god, and such worship is the opposite of what he is trying to achieve.
i read something about him being the collective psyche of a load of ancient human shamans who combined their mental powers in some kind of suicide/ascendancy type thing
The Great Crusade must of been a total bloodbath, human and alien, T
I think you mean the astrominican. Which is fuelled by the sacrifice of 1,000 or 10,000 (memory is fuzzy) humans a day. Yes the Great Crusade was that indeed.Originally Posted by deversnik
According to the old fluff, the Emperor was a man in body, born of human parents, but in spirit He was something else entirely. Back in the old days, before the rise of human civilisation, there existed shamans who could feel the flow of the warp and were guided by the good energies generated by all living things. They lived in harmony with Nature and guided their fellow human beings to do the same. But as the human race grew and civilisation evolved to lead people away from the old ways, the malign Chaos Gods gained more power from the thoughts and emotions of humanity, and in return more influence over these thoughts and emotions. The warp became more difficult to control, and the shamans feared that when their knowledge of the warp and ability to reincarnate were lost, humanity would be lost to the Ruinous Powers forever. So they all gathered together and decided to create the New Man, the greatest human ever born, who would forever protect humanity against Chaos. To do this, all the shamans of the Earth committed ritual suicide and were reincarnated into one single body, and a year later the child who would later become the Emperor was born.
It is made very clear in the old fluff that the Emperorâ€™s only true purpose is to help humanity, like the shamans wanted Him to. Immortal as He was, He observed as the human race evolved, and helped where He could by using His ancient wisdom to guide and aid humanity, usually in the humble disguise of an advisor to kings and other leaders. Only rarely, in times of great need, did He take it upon Himself to lead humanity forward as a leader.
To me, it seems obvious that the Emperor did not want the power that He was given after the Age of Strife, but that He found it necessary to take the mantle of leadership upon Himself because no one else was fit to save humanity from the chaos that existed at that time. He alone had the technological knowledge from the Dark Age of Technology to create the Space Marines and reinvent space-capable ships to reach Mars and the Cult Mechanicus residing there. And as soon as His job was done and the Primarchs were ready to continue the Great Crusade in His name, He gave Horus command of the armies and retreated to Terra to continue to help humanity. Unfortunately, this led to the Horus Heresy, and we all know what happened then.
I donâ€™t think the Emperor is Himself very xenophobic, but He did what He must to preserve the human race. Remember that He is old enough to have lived when contact was established with alien races for the first time, and at that time humanity did communicate and even trade with many of the other races, including the Eldar. In the 41st millennium, though, most of the remaining alien races are malevolent, and humanity must be protected against them. And of course it is also true that it is no longer the Emperor whoâ€™s running the Imperium, but the High Lords, who are without doubt a bunch of megalomaniacal psychopaths, or they would never have reached that position in the intrigue-ridden minefield of Imperial politics. If the Emperor suddenly regained His senses and returned to His Imperium, I think Heâ€™d be shocked to see how humanity has wandered away from the path He had foreseen, and there would definitely be a lot of people who wouldnâ€™t be happy to see Him back.
For more information on the early history of the Emperor, see the Critical Hit article here.
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Is there really that much of a difference? Every visionary bent on guiding humanity and preserving it from the depredations of is seen as an insane megalomaniac. I mean if I came up to you and said do as I say or evil daemons will devour your soul, your reaction would be: :huh:Originally Posted by deversnik
The way I see it the Emperor was a person who donned various faces and personas throughout history to lead us through hard times and reach our full potential. So in effect he was Abraham, Caesar, Charlemagne, Da Vinci, Shakespeare, Lincoln, Churchill, Einstein, BorninDarkness, etc.
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He's a lot like God. You know. Gave everyone a good start, took a nap, came back and found that they'd trashed the place. Noah and all the ****. Read the Old Testament, it's full of God appearing and saying "Gee, you guys sure ****ed that up" and restarting the world again. Which is pretty much what will happen if the Emperor returned to life.
Noah was a drunk. The only reason God asked him to save anything was because he was too wasted to have actually trashed anything. Besides, if the Empy ever wakes up (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL), it's not like he's gonna ask anyone to build an ark.
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Nah, he would say somthing like "Get me my armor!"
And the tech preasts would look very scared and say 'um... we kinda... smashed it, we know where we put all the peices though!"
"Well where is that!?!?"
'inside the crux terminatus of all the tactical dreadnought suits...'
"WHAT? I HAVE TO GO VISIT EVERY LEGION AND GET THE BITS OF MY ARMOR BACK!?!?!"
And the Lord General Militant would cough and say something like.
'um... actualy Guliman broke up the ligions, the Space Marenes are orginised by chapter now.'