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I'm moving this from another thread since it makes more sense here and can encourage better discussion, but here are the first few posts from some contributors on the other thread. There's only one guideline I like to kindly ask everyone to follow:
Please be nice and discuss this topics based one actual FLUFF AND REFERENCES. Please don't just say "Tyranids kick a** and will rule!" State where you got the fluff from (preferably the WD issue, the novel name, or the codex and page) so that we can all read it and interpret it for ourselves. I think that would generate a good discussion without it being spam or a flame war. Thanks in advance!The only thing I have now is, if anyone has read the fluff in the Tyranid Codex, GW has made the Tyranids the ULTIMATE race, almost destined to wipe the galaxy clean of life and biomatter. There is some uncertainty on whether the tyranids can kill the orks, but the conclusion in the codex is that *if* the tyranids beat the orks, then the galaxy's bio-matter is for their taking, as probably no one can stop them, Chaos or Necron/C'tan.
I'm not sure whether I should start another thread to discuss this? or could we just dicuss it here. I'll let some of the more senior members decide on that, as I feel it's an interesting topic to talk about based on the new codex.
What do y'all think?
Other people's post and replies:Originally Posted by numberofthebeastxxxOriginally Posted by Word_Bearer_ApostleOriginally Posted by Lord VisharronOriginally Posted by numberofthebeastxxx
Basically he's continuing a discussion we had in another thread. Please read my pasted points as they have merit in this discussion.
If the Nids began to wipe out the universe, I believe someone might have the idea to ally against them *Tau, Eldar, Imperium* and stop them. Hell, if it was for survival, I can see the Tau and Orcs allying *Tau want to destroy both Orcs and Nids for Greater Good, so they go with the Orcs who just want to fight somebody in HtH*.
The fact is, like Numberofthebeastxxx said, there is no Unstopable army. Ships/Creatures can be destroyed, invasions can be repelled. Afterall, There is no problem that can't be solved if you have enough explosives.
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Well numberofthebeastxxx.I agree the nids are not the be all end all army fluffwise.But they posse a very big treat to the imperium and all creature thats have biomass.Fluffwise Necrons and Tyranids are the ones that are going to destroy everything.
But you say that there is no telling how many hive fleets there are.And so the nids aren't that big of a treat.But there is also no telling how many necrons there are.
I agree with The Doctor. Anyways, If the Nids did wipe out everything and everybody, 40k wouldn't be much of a game anymore would it? So, whats the fate of the galaxy in 40k? Eternal bloodshed! Peace and respite don't pay GW's bills!
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Do they? What have they achieved really that hasn't been done before by other races, by the Imperium itself many times? Macharius conquered thousand worlds in a single campaign, or the great crusade. The Inqusition destroys worlds like crushing bugs, killing billions of creatures. Chaos can't be destroyed unless the Nids devour every single creature in the galaxy. The EoT itself is safe from every invasion, since who would dare to enter a realm were everything can be changed by Chaos in a matter of seconds? Sure, the Nids are a treat, but not bigger than the others the Imperium has to face.Originally Posted by Cheap poison
Well, the Nids definately pose a huge threat to the galaxy, because it is conceivable that they would deour much of it. But I use the word "possible" for a reason. I think that the Nids have met their match in the Milky Way. There may be thousands of hive fleets still out there in intergalactic space, but I dont think it matters too much. The Imperium destroyed Hive Fleet Kraken, Hive Fleet Behemoth, and is in the process of destroying Hive Fleet Leviatian. Fortunately the Tyranids arent strategic geniouses. Theyre very vulnerable when in space and can get bogged down in an invasion quite easily. But if there are indeed thousands of hive fleets out there, and they all attack at once, closing over the galaxy like a great maw as is theorised, then they'll be a problem.
Ultimately, the best that the Nids could ever hope to do would be to eat the Imperium, the Orks, the Tau, the Craftworld Eldar, the Exodites, the Hrud, the Kroot, the Demiurg, the Nicassar, and all of the other real-space dwelling creatures. However, the Chaos Legions are protected because the Nids wont be able to enter the EoT or the Maelstrom or any other warp-storm theyre hiding in. The Dark Eldar are living in the webway and will be protected. And the Necrons are prefectly designed to wipe out the tyranids if they ever wake up, as the Ctan will probably be more than happy to devour whole hive-fleets for lunch, and their necron warriors are made of living metal and the Nids dont recognise them as food. Ultimately, no matter how well the Tyranids perform in this galaxy, theyre dead. Between Chaos, Necrons, and Dark Eldar, they'll be finished off.
I for one know that the Plague Fleets of Warmaster Phthisis would me more than happy to show them exactly how potent Nurgle's diseases are. Of course the Nids can overcome conventional diseases. Most viruses wont even harm them because viruses have to be specifically coded to hijack their DNA, so the common cold wont be killing any Nids (forget about the War of the Worlds scenarios). But Nurgle's plagues are daemonic plagues, and mutate for maximum effectiveness. By the time the Nids immune system changes to defeat the plague, it will have already mutated to the point that the antibodies will not work. Remember, Space Marines dont get sick and yet a whole legion of them was stricken deathly ill by the Destroyer Hive bringing Nurgle's Rot. Nids die to the Rot just as fast as anybody else. And if they come near my pirate base I have a nasty little surprise for them. Dreadclaws filled with the diseased corpses of my victims. A trojan horse tribute to them, so they can injest Nurlge's foul contagion and rot, as all living things will someday.
Even then they wouldn't lose. Nids' are suceptible to chaos when cut off from the hivemind.Originally Posted by Kelnor