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my stab at Night Lords, crticism is welcome:
The Black Scars are an offshoot of the Night Lords Traitor Marine Chapter, called so for three reasons. The first being their tactic of wounding each victim with a great gash across their face, which turns black and never heals, leaving them marked for life (which usually isnt very long) The second reason being the emotional scars they bear over the loss of their beloved Primarch. The last and most important reason is their hatred of the White Scars Space Marines, whom they will battle at every chance.
They became a major threat during the Dirint Campaign, when they single handedly conquered the entire planetary system solely by taking the power supplies, communications, and major food sources of each world, and waiting for the inhabitants to panic and tear each other apart, sowing fear into the populace of nieghboring planets and creating the same effect.
This campaign also started their rivalry with the White Scars, who had been stationed on two of the five planets in the system. The only true fighting that took place was on the systems third largest planet called Heq, which was a victory for the Night Lords, but only after the White Scars had killed their Captain and destroyed all of their bike squadrons. These outrages did not go unpunished, for on the second world the White Scars occupied, the Black Scars immediately attacked them, capturing them, then ritually dismembering and broadcasting the ceremony to the now conquered planets.
They now maintain headquarters on the planets they conquered, and all those foolish enough to enter their domain be damned!
any thoughts or suggestions?
Last edited by matthiastheprophet; July 30th, 2005 at 20:34.
I like it, especially how they renamed themselves just to piss the White Scars off. Two minor details though. You said the WS destroyed the Black Scars's bike squads. Generaly bikers aren't very fluffy in a NL army. Bikes have engines that make a lot of noise, not very good if you're trying to sneak up on the enemy. Also there's the part about the Night Lords conquering the system and making it there own. Unless they managed to block the system off from the Imperium, I doubt the Imperium will sit idly by while the NL run rough-shod all over one of thier systems, especially the WS, who they stole it from. Unless the Black Scars managed to throw up a warp storm or something around the system, they'd have Imperial fleets pounding on thier door all the time.You may at least want to go into a little more detail about this. Maybe the system is tacticly unimportant? In that case maybe you won't have the Imperial Navy all over you, but the White Scars certainly aren't going to let you rest after taking a system from them.
It's a good but a bit too skinny. It lacks some important info. Like:
1. Why/How did they split from the NL?
2. Why did the NL allow this split?
2. Why do they hate the white scars?
4. Where are they stationed? In the eye? Maelstrom? Imperium?
5. Did the Imperium retaliate when they counquered this system? If it's important they would of course.
6. What are there goals? (Even if it's just random destruction)
7. How many are there?
I think maybe you should make them on some kind of quest/mission. For example, it would be really cool if you said they were on a spiritual quest to resurrect their fallen primarch the Night Haunter, so he can lead them into the heart of the Imperium and destroy the emperor, etc. etc. This would also explain why they are not part of the NL legion, they can be a special sect that broke off from the main legion to accomplish this goal. They could be looking for some lost cloning technology, or perhaps some mystical warp artefact that can bring back his soul, etc.
but, the NL arent spiritual, in fact they are noted aethiests (if that term would apply)Originally Posted by numberofthebeastxxx
ok, the system wasnt really important, but the Night Lords took it because some of the planets had small amounts of valuable minerals, and they stayed because they liked it after they "redecorated" it w/ skulls and bodies and such. The Imperium doesnt know because the communications for the system were disabled at the start of the campaign, so they might find out eventually, but w/ all the stuff they have to deal w/, its not gonna happen anytime soon. The WS have tryed to take it back many times, though they've never gotten more than a planet back before the current leader Nagio the Black ousted them (this happened twice, which fuels their hatred) They arent seperated from the Night Lords, they're like a company, just w/ their own special name. Their goals are to kill and cause mayhem, which they do on their regular trips away from the system and into the middle of the Imperium. At the time of the Dirint Campaign there were around 5,000, and yeah, a good amount of them have died over the years, but thanks to good ol' Fabius Bile, they have some fresh blood in the ranks, so its around the same,Fabius and Nagio are good business partners because the Pentagram of Hell is a great hiding place, which is why their are also many Space Pirates, Heretics, and Mutants, making them a formidable force
any other questions?
Last edited by matthiastheprophet; July 30th, 2005 at 23:40.
Yes, do your Night Lords follow Krieg Acerbus or recognize Zso Sahaal as the successor to our beloved Night Haunter.
(Your answer depends on whether you've read Lord of the Night or not) My NL army has recognized the return of Zso Sahaal and has pledged themselves to aid in his campaigns.
"They are my space marines and they shall know no fear, for they are fear incarnate." ~ Konrad Curze (Night Haunter), Primarch of the Night Lords Legion
"Adeo mori servus Imperator Fictus
Ave Dominus Nox" (So die the slaves of the False Emperor. Hail to the Lord of the Night.) ~ Talonmaster Zso Sahaal [Lord of the Night, p.68]
havent read it yet, though i'm planning to buy it, it looks really good
I AM THE THE ANGEL'S WING!!! FEAR ME FOES OF SANGUINIUS!!!
The night lords aren't the stealth guys, those are the Alpha legion. The real Night Lord speciality is fast moving shock tactics using bikes and raptors. This is why they get extra fast attack slots.Originally Posted by Edicius
But I agree on the conquest.. CSM can't really hope to conquer a system indefinately, which is why they often raid and pillage instead, or at least try and suck the resources and population dry during the period they're in charge.
Matthias, your idea to counter this is interesting.. but there needs to be some convincing reason why the Imperium would simply have forgotten about a planet (or at least, ignored it after it stopped paying tithes etc.) Maybe localised warp storm activity has prevented them from looking too deeply for now.
And I'm not sure about having the number still at 5000.. My impression from the Fabius Bile fluff is that, while he creates a lot of twisted, foaming freaks, he hasn't created too many real marines. Maybe this has changed now that he's decided to pass on his secrets to the other legions, but even then I believe the character of the CSM seems to imply that most of them are old, extremely tough and very difficult (or in some cases impossible) to dispatch. This isn't so evident in the rules, but screw the rules, this is a fluff forum.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; August 1st, 2005 at 23:23.
ok, then lets say 1000? that should be good. and i'll go w/ what everyones been saying and say that warp storms blocked them offOriginally Posted by The_Giant_Mantis
I AM THE THE ANGEL'S WING!!! FEAR ME FOES OF SANGUINIUS!!!
There are other ways that chaos marines gain new recruits besides fabius.Originally Posted by matthiastheprophet
Okay.. I've never found anything in support of this.Originally Posted by numberofthebeastxxx
Apparently there's a black library book I've never read in which the iron warriors create new marines in a big birthing tube or something, but that sounds so much like the Fabius Bile method it probably is the same thing (Fabius Bile has passed on his research to the other legions.) That was a very recent thing though, I believe it's because Bile was nearly assassinated, and thus wanted to minimise the impact of his death by distributing his research.
I've never read any fluff which suggests that chaos marines are created at anything like the rate of loyalist marines (which isn't fast by any means.) Indeed, the entire character of the army seems to be based around ancient veterans with archaic equipment.
I'm not saying there aren't any new CSM.. I'm just questioning the rate at which people think they're created.