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constructing a kill team with Marines drawn from Ultramarines/sucessors perhaps Sythes of the Emperor but want a Blood Angel Seargeant, appropiate? i know the Blood Angels don't have the best relations with the Inquistion...
also any info on the Inquistor who reported on the Blood Angels and the process of creating them from the people of Baal?
Well Deversnik, it is very unlikely that a Blood Angel of any rank will be inducted into a DeathWatch Kill Team due to their nature. The Deathwatch is an extremely covert team, stealth is a second nature, a law to the Deathwatch. Stealth is cowardice to a Blood Angel firstly. Secondly, the Inquisition is the bane of the Blood Angel chapter and the DeathWatch is the fighting arm of the Ordo Xenos. The major ramification of working with this Ordo is the fact that any discovery of the Black Rage or Red Thirst will most certainly, absolutely, positively have the whole chapter and successors eradicated. NO Blood Angel can control their Black Rage, none, they have various degrees of control, but none can control it indefinately. The point is, it's too big a risk.
There was a piece of fluff concerning an inquisitor who latched unto the Blood Angels but I am pretty sure it's obsolete now. I regret never getting my hands on it seeing that the Blood Angels are one of my favourite armies. But the inquisitor's name was Inquisitor N'syun. If anyone has information about this it would be deeply appreciated if you could contact me.
Last edited by Grand Master Saiyan Sanguine; August 10th, 2005 at 05:40.
After reading the bit by Inquisitor N'Syun in WD228, I suppose that it is possible you could have a Blood Angel in your Deathwatch seeing the inquisition seem to know some of what is going on with the red thirst. The Blood Angels are still pretty secretive about their deepest secrets, however, and they wouldn't want to risk the Inquisition finding out just how bad the black rage is, so I would have to say that it is not likely they would have anyone in the Deathwatch, but it is not completely impossible for it to happen.
Last edited by pinchy; August 10th, 2005 at 03:56.
Sisters of battle belong to Ordo Hereticus, Deathwatch belong to Ordo XenosSecondly, the Inquisition is the bane of the Blood Angel chapter and the DeathWatch is the fighting arm of the Ordo Hereticus
sorry I just had to point that out.
Looking in the recent White Dwarf which has the Deathwatch rules in it, you will see that Deathwatch marines are recruited from all different chapters so you can use Blood Angels in a Deathwatch Kill-team.Originally Posted by deversnik
However, it is not appropriate to use Blood Angels along with Ultramarines and the like as they must work as a single unit which requires them to have a similar style of combat. The article mentions Ultramarines, Scythes of the Emperor, and Lamenters being used on the Eastern Fringe to combat Tyranids if you're interested.
Blood Angels are perfectly fine in a kill team. Marines in the DeathWatch squad ignore the rules for their original chapter and instead behave like DeathWatch for the time theyre in. Blood Angels are disliked by the Ordo Hereticus and suspect by the Ordo Malleus, but they are loved by the Ordo Xenos for kill teams as the Blood Angels have an incredible amount of experience fighting all sorts of xenos, especially Orks and Genestealer cults, which are two of the most common threats that the Ordo Xenos faces. Regardless of their secret, Blood Angels and Dark Angels still supply troops for the DeathWatch.
Oh, and Saiyan Sanguine, Blood Angels are stealthy. In fact, their scouts are professionals who devote their careers in the Blood Angels to stealth. Despite the Red Thirst, they can as easliy manage to be sneaky as they can to be ferocious. The only chapters out there that I'd say would have a problem being sneaky is the Imperial Fists and the Salamanders because they think sneaky is dishonorable, but even they contribute to the Kill Teams.
The one chapter that doesnt mix well with others is the Space Wolves. I think they still have treaties that mandate they contribute to the Ordo Xenos, but Space Wolves do not play well with others, most espscially Dark Angels and, ever since the First War of Armageddon, the Flesh Tearers.
And also the Sythes of the Emperor in a kill-team is getting clichÃ©. It's all they seem to do. But seeing as they got nearly wiped out by Hive Fleet Behemoth, that's probably all they have the numbers to do.
And as regards the inquisitor that reported them, check out the Blood Angels in Index Astartes, that may well have details. WD228 is one hole in my collection I need to fill.
in the Deathwatch comics they have Dark Angel Deathwatch Marines (perhaps Chapters like Dark Angels and Blood Angels provide Marines to the Deathwatch to divert any attention) although this seems to be an exception, as for the Black Rage i believe the Seargrant in Blood Quest had conquered it also Mephiston the Blood Angle Libarian, i imagine that for any Blood Angel to advance in the ranks he must have exceptional control (although i accept not indefinite) and it would be an exceptional one indeed to be seconded to the DeathWatch
thanks especially to the reference to the Blood Angels experience fighting Orks and Genestealers brings back found memories of Space Crusade and Advanced Space Crusade, also the fact that the Blood Angels skills are appeciated by the Ordo Xenos but distrusted by the Malleus and Heriticus as i fully expect my Ordo Xenos Inquistor to end up battling Malleus and Heriticus Armies (if and when the Ordo xenos Codex comes out circa 2050 probably) starts off with Deathwatch kill teams slides into radicalism, collaborates with Eldar, including Adepts of Kurnous, and ends up with untold alien weaponary and Ork Mercs...phew!
for now i'll just have a kill team which can content itself with wiping out Ork Infestations, Investigating Necron pyramids, and hunting Stealthsuited Tau through pitch black deathworld jungle
It is not out of all possibility that a Blood Angel will not be in a Deathwatch kill team, fluff wise however it is highly unlikely for the reasons I stated before. If the BA were such a ready staple for a killteam why is there so much controversy and question surrounding. This thread coming up at all conveys my point.Originally Posted by Warmaster PhthisisYou're off. Space wolf scouts are the ones who dedicate their lives to stealth for the thrill of the hunt, Hence why they count as elites on the table top.Originally Posted by Warmaster Phthisis
Your statement goes against every basic fluff relating to a blood angel. Of course they are capable of stealth, but how long will it take for them to hold back the Black Rage when they see slaughter. Coupled with the extreme animosity they hold for Xenos, it won't take long for everything to hit the ceiling. Imperial guard commanders are iffy around the BA much less an inquisitor.On the contrary, Space wolves along side the Scythes of the Emperor are the staple of a Deathwatch kill team for the exact reason I stated above.Originally Posted by Warmaster Phthisis
From what I've gathered through all my fluff readings is that you're a truly blessed soul if you have a Space wolf on your side. Space wolves get along perfectly fine with most other warriors, just not the Dark Angels for obvious reasons.Isn't it in a Black Library novel with a Space wolf and a Dark Angel on the same Deathwatch team and they were out to murder each other, covertly of course. However, they completed the mission without incident but leave it up to the Dark Angel to piss off the wolf at the end of the mission by threatening him.
My point is, it's perfectly fine to have a BA in your Killteam on the table top, people will only look at you funny when they see it.
Blood Angel Veteran Sergeant in the Scout Company would of centuries of experience in stealth and control of the Black Rage, its the Blood Angels control of the Black Rage that makes them so special, they battle eveyday to control it, the image of Blood Angels flying into a murderous rage as soon as they hear a gunshot is overstated, entire Armies of Death Company are extremely rare, Mackan, Armageddon, if the Black Rage is so overpowering the Chapter simply wouldn't exist anymore, remember many Marines live for centuries seeing evey kind of murdeous slaughter and battle without losing control, and of course Dante survived for over a 1'000 years without succombing to the Black Rage
re: Space Wolfs i remember an excellent picture of a Space Wolfs Deathwatch Veteran with a frostblade axe and a Deathwatch boltpistol and bionic eye, Space Wolfs also have to control their bestial fury.
also i know Sythes of the Emperor are cliched in a kill team but they fit perfectly the kind of griseled Veteran who'd seen untold horror even the fleshly hell of the insides of a Tyranid ship and as the Chapter is destroyed the remenants were absorbed into the Deathwatch and have no home to return to
one of the things i love about the Deathwatch is the mix of Chapters, veterans, Heavy Weapon Specialist etc and the frictions this would produce