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i really hope i manage to make sense with my question....
i know of the three great orders of the inquisition, xenos for the aliens, malleus for the demons and hereticus for the mutant, heretic and the witch.
so practically, if a witchhunter finds and purges a heretical cult, but in the process finds out that the cult is al about, for example, nurgle or any other chaos force, does he "call" the malleus, since they are the ones dealing with chaos?
same goes with a cult about alien technology and the ordo xenos.
a chaos-worshipper is defenitely a heretic, so who gets to burn him...malleus or herticus?
techno-heresy through alien artefacts...heresy, but also xenos-work, so who does the cleansing?
what about the beliefs in the ordos...i know most of the stuff about amalthians, thorians etc.
are these beliefs present in all orders?
i mean are the inquisitors "united" by their designated order (malleus, hereticus etc.) or by their belief (thorian etc.)?
thanx for your input!
Haha, if only life were that simple, ok the answer to your question is no, in your example the answer is the witch hunter would still deal with it.
Life in the 41st millenium is not even that simple, there are other ways to slice the inquisition, there are puritans and radicals for example which span all three arms,
Puritans would destroy/kill whatever they are targeted at, wheras radicals will use it to kill more,
for example lets take a demon weapon, - a puritan Ordos Maleaus =][= would destroy it, ASAP. But a radical would try and investigate it, firstly to see if he can find out more and use it to destroy more chaos stuff and dsecondly cos frankly, next week when he is facing a demon prince he may regret not having the option, he is likely to try and use it.
This can mean that 2 members of the same order can come into direct conflict (physically on occcasions).
Add to this the varrious conclaves and factions (look up thorians) and you start to get a picture of what the iquisistion really is, then coat it in the possibility that not every inquisitor has completely altruistic and you start to get there.
Try getting hold of the inquisitor rule book (you can down load it from the GW site, see inside the front cover? ----
EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD IS A LIE
thanks so far! (i hope there is mor to come!)
ive read the inquisitor rule book, most bl novels, codices old and new, rule books from rogue trader to 4th edition...but i still cant see through it.
i mean , something like an organisatorial chart or a something like a catalogue of responsibilities, that would be nice.
another question: the inquisitor lord of an (sub)sector, he has all the inq. guys at his command (in his sector). all the different orders, beliefs, puritans or whatever...
or is the individual inq. free to pursue the wrong he finds the most urgent/important, regardless of ordo, local responsibility?
maybe i should forget about this, even now, the different law enforcement/intelligence agencies have crossing responsibillities, often work against each other....so this mess will have grown to the nth degree in the next 40k years
I think Inquisitors are supposed to be able to act autonomously, so the ordo hereticus inquisitor wouldn't have any obligation to call in the ordo malleus.
However, if an ordo malleus inquisitor got wind of it (part of the reason they're called inquisitors is that they're good at finding out information like this) he might want to conduct his own investigation, and may be somewhat disturbed.
I'd imagine there are also situations where inquisitors from the different groups will cooperate and call in support. Inquisitorial politics are extremely complex, and its likely an inquisitor will have friends in the same faction as him but in different ordos, who can request help from if needs be.
Failure to deal with something constitutes a failure, after all, and failure permanently blots an inquisitors record. If the situation warrants it, I doubt most inquisitors would be too shy about calling in the specialists.
Heresy involving aliens or alien artifacts is the preserve of the ordo xenos, though an ordo hereticus inquisitor who stumbled upon such a thing might feel capable of dealing with it.
Whatever it is, it's going to be a hugely complex system in which a lot individuals with massive liberties and their own wierd agendas attempt to solve mysteries. It's not a perfect system of cooperation, but, if it didn't work, the Imperium wouldn't exist.
Some factions in the inquisition are pretty ordo specific, like the Horusians, who, for obvious reasons, are mostly ordo malleus. Most, however, can be found across all ordos.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; August 19th, 2005 at 17:32.
Also remember that there are several minor Ordos that specialise in more specific types of heresy. It all depends on who discovers the problem and how they think it should be handled. If a witchunter discovers a xenos infestation, he may or may not call on the Ordo Xenos, it all depends on how he interprets the situation. All members of the Inquisition are authorized to stamp out heresy in any form, so he wouldn't have to call in the alien hunters if he felt he could handle it on his own.
In terms of power, the Ordo Malleus is certainly the most powerful of all three seeing that it deals with what the Imperium defines as it's greatest threat and secondly, the second function of the Ordo Malleus is to be the watchdog of the Inquisition itself, much like how the Inquisition watches over every other Adept organization.
Inquisitors from the two other Ordos are extremely cautious around any Malleus Inquisitor, male or female, because they are for one, more powerful physically and mentally, the reasons mentioned in the above paragraph and their chamber militant is the best fighting force in the Imperium. That's basically why their top dog of all three, so moving on to the point.
Inquisitors from each Ordo look for cases pertaining to his specialty. Malleus searches for daemons exclusively, Xenos for aliens etc. It is happens quite often that a case that at the superficial level seemed to be Ordo specific is not at all. The more common one is a Hereticus Inquisitor intent on destroying a rebellion only to discover the root of it all is a chaos cult. Hereticus Inquisitors also get screwed with the whole genestealer cult scenario, in any event, if it is small scale, being autonomous they have the authority to deal with it on their own. Even though they are trained in a specific area, it is their duty to serve the Imperium and destroying anything that might harm it is their job. However, if the problem is a major incursion, then they call in the Ordo that specializes in that facet because it's the smartest thing to do.
Pertaining to my two first points, A malleus Inquisitor can hijack any of the cases that the two other Ordo may have if s/he has even the slightest hint that there is chaos at work. This doesn't happen very often because Inquisitors are caught up in their own world and troubles to go and be nosy in other Ordos business. However, I doubt that an Xenos/Hereticus Inquisitor can do the same with an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor unless the former has extreme seniority, prestige, power, what-have-you.
With regards to factions, every Ordo is split in terms of beliefs. The two most common/powerful are Puritans and Radicals. It's just my personal opinion that beliefs systems override Ordo specificity. An Inquisitor will more than likely have close comrades/friends from other Ordos, but a Puritan Inquisitor will rather be dead than associate in any way with a Radical (killing him is the preferred option, rather than let someone else beat him to it HA) regardless of Ordo.
Puritans clan together and Radicals do the same. It's a fact that Puritans grossly outnumber Radicals but the majority of Radicals are extremely powerful in terms of physicality (more often mentally), prestige, influence etc. Radicals are usually very old as their viewpoint changes gradually over time with the battles, politics and other harsh realities they stumble upon once their Inquisitorial career begins. Which is why when a senior puritan preaches to the new inquisitors, he tells them to look at each other very carefully because later on down the road they might hunt each other down when inevitably a few turn to Radicalism.
Inquisitor Lords who control subsectors are rulers of the sector. It's an unhealthy power to me because technically the inquisitor Lord owns the sector. His planets pay tithes, gives recruits for guards etc like every other planetary governor, only this is on a much larger scale. So s/he has a healthy supply of military power, s/he more than likely has superior retinues and other resources. The major difference is, an inquisitor from any Ordo can take over a planet or two, given the nature of the threat. They cannot do such a thing with a High Protector (Inquisitor Lord in control of a sector). Firstly, he has control of a whole sector, which translates his seniority, prestige, power and more often than not, the ability to hand anyone their ass. Any Inquisitor investigating anything in a High Protector's sector goes through the Lord. Of course, if something is afoot and the Lord is radical then the Inquisition as a whole has a problem to deal with, more specifically the Ordo from which the Lord hales. This is very rare (if it ever happened at all) seeing that High Protectors are old and as such set in their ways (puritan).
Umm see now I get confused :pOriginally Posted by Grand Master Saiyan Sanguine
According to Codex: Witch Hunters they (Hereticus) are the watchdogs of the Inquisition.
Where does it say that Malleus watches the watchmen so to speak?
I guess they could all be watching each other. That would certainly fit the byzanthine nature of the Imperium.
Last edited by Mezcal; August 20th, 2005 at 07:26.
i also think the hereticus are the ones who "watch the watchers"
Saiyan Sanguine.. Do you have a source for all that info? I've never heard anything about the ordo malleus being more powerful than the other two. That was certainly the case in the old fluff back when inquisitors were first introduced in 40k, but I believe they changed it.
And it's not just puritans and radicals, there are different puritan and radical philosophies. Istvaanians won't hang out with Xanthites, for example, and Thorians are considered misguided by the other Puritans.
Not to mention that those are general guidelines. Inquisitors are a highly educated elite, and like all such elites, they form their own opinions too. One inquisitor in an official Inquisitor campaign suppliment had a wierd cross between Thorian and Istvaanian beliefs.