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I know when GW started that there was an idea that all sides were evil, which in my opinion made the game more fun. However resently it seems that the Imperium are the so called 'good guys' but i still believe that is up for debate. Which side do you guys think are the 'good guys' and why.
Personally id go with the Tau. They seem to be the most excepting of all races as long as they are for the "Greater Good". Then again you have the Eldar who claim they are trying to save the universe but i think its more likely they are trying to regain there own past rule.
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There are no real 'good guys' in the scope of things. Everybody wants ton conquer everybody, it's just their purpose for doing so that differs. Well, aside from the Eldar. They're just trying to not die.
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There aren't any in the strictest sense of the word. The Imperium worships a corpse and exterminates anything that promotes free will. Necron are blatantly evil, same with Chaos. Tau are really the only race I can equate with 'good' since they're supposed to be fighting for the Greater Good, however they will conquer if someone doesn't agree with them so I'm not sure. Tyranids are more of a force of nature than anything, unless the Hive Mind is actually sentient which I'm not sure of.
Good and Evil is a matter of perspective.
The only difference between the Imperium and the Tau, really, is that the Imperium kill you if you don't look like them, the Tau kill you if you don't think like them.
I don't think the problem is that all the races were 'evil' and then some became good.. I think the problem is that fluff in general has become more aligned towards the Imperial viewpoint. Let's face it, from the viewpoint of the Imperium, space marines are heroic warriors of all encompassing virtue. Their brutality and uncompromising nature simply happens to be part of that virtue. There has also been an increasing reduction in focus on the 'negative' aspects of the Imperium.
However, bear in mind that the black templar codex is out soon.. The black templars are hugely darker than the ultramarines who were the focus for the 'Codex' codex, and I think we can expect at least a slight return to the underlying brutality there.
As for Chaos. Chaos definately aren't evil.. not according to chaos anyway. At worst, chaos is amoral, because its followers lack any sense of good and evil, only strength and weakness, capability and incapability.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; September 12th, 2005 at 19:17.
The Tau are about as moralistic as Stalin. No, I'm serious. They're space-age Communists. And the Imperium is Nazi Germany. Face it, buddy - in the grim darkness of the far future, there is no capitalism.
Not that capitalism is a good thing. It's merely considered less evil than brutally totalitarian socialism. But that's politics, which have no place on this forum.
Simply put, there is no real good side. Some regiments of Imperial Guard fight with a strict code of honour and morality, and some go all Savlar and steal the boots from the bodies of murdered children. There's embittered and grim traitors like the Iron Warriors, horrific antiheroes like the Night Lords, berserkers like the World Eaters and then there's those pesky lust-ridden Emperor's Children. None are really good, but they're all evil in different ways.
MobiusPrime is right in his assessment. The Greater Good isn't good, it's how the Tau perceive good. The very fact that they attempt to exterminate anyone who disagrees with them kind of negates any goodness they may have. They're elitists, flaunting their technology and using it to gain allies and crush enemies.
The only people I see as being good are regular humans (not Guardsmen or anything) living on some backwater agri-world as simple farmers, having nothing to do with Bugs or zealots or crazy weirdos from another dimension. Then again, the way GW writes their fluff, these people may not even exist.
To be honest, I like the "no good guys" approach. It's refreshing when everyone's a badass, even if some of them are weird (like Emperor's Children).
For the love of mike, TAU ARE UTILITARIANS! Their mantra "For the greater good" is directley the utilitarian credo. Sry for the outburst, but I'm tired mentaly and of hearing the Tau misrepresented.Originally Posted by ze_poodle
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I agree with Thedrifter777. Tau are not socialistic or communistic, but utilitarian. They believe in the greater good, i.e. producing the greatest amount of good (some add â€śâ€¦for the greatest number of peopleâ€?, but Iâ€™m not sure the Tau agree with this, being a relatively small race.) This actually means that Tau have about as much respect for the individual as the Imperium, which is not much, and have as much compassion and morality as Chaos, which is even less. If the Tau were to decide that the total annihilation of the Imperium would generally increase the amount of good in the galaxy, they would do so in a heartbeat. If they were to decide that all other races lived such miserable lives that the general amount of good would increase if they were all destroyed and the Tau Empire could spread freely, they would go on a homicidal rampage.
I donâ€™t think the Tau would necessarily kill anyone who disagreed with them, though, but they would expect people to understand and live by utilitarian ethics. If you are not willing to accept the fact that your death would make a lot of people feel better, then they see no option but to come and explain it to you, violently and terminally. This, some might perceive as evil, but in truth it is merely cold logic.
So, who are the good guys in 40k? I agree with what many has said already: there arenâ€™t any. Of course there are some individuals who are altruistic, caring and accepting, but they tend not to want to attract too much attention to themselves, since these traits are not considered virtues in the 41st millennium. Funny thing is that it is this lack of good guys that makes the 40k universe so fascinating to me. Itâ€™s very refreshing not to be told who to cheer for (although, being human myself, I would be sad to see the human race destroyed entirely.)
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Of all the races though it would seem that the eldar are the only 'good' race. Tehy have a deeper sense of everything and seem that they understand that there is no true good or evil and that there are only ascending and descending degrees of chaos law and violence. They merely are attempting to survive in the galaxy that has humbled them from there once lofty position of rulers.
well after writing all that ive changed my mind for some reason it blinked into my head that the eldar are more a force of nuetrality.
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