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would space maries have any knowledge of Wales?because i want to create a chapter called the Heralds of Llywelyn (for people who dont know who llywelyn ein llyw olaf is brush up on your welsh history).I was writing my fluff and began to wonder and its been bugging me ever since.
not really, they don't even know where new york is anymore, and they call it nova yoruk, and it's a myth. but you could still have them based on a welsh world, which is very possible and probable and everything.
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The Imperial Fists earliest battle honour is a plaque with "ROMA" on it there are some ancient terran places known about therefore.
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Yeah, but Space marine chapters come from worlds, not countries, anyway. Don't they?
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Yeah, they come from worlds or a space fleet.
A lot of the imperial stuff like the painted on names for tanks etc... come from latin so there's knowledge of some stuff.
You can always use the history and just not use the location wales or something along that, or have it refer to somewhere else. Or even more likely it could be a myth of sorts and the chapter based around that. You can pretty much do whatever you want with the space marines, I've seen chapters based off Scotish history, Greek warriors etc so anything goes really.
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I was under the impression that this is the case as the language of the Imperium is a form of Latin itself. It appears English was put downOriginally Posted by jtm
That is one reason why all the Tyranids are classified with latin names and as you stated many emblems and icons feature latin words.
I'm sure that even the most learned librarians on Holy Terra have no idea where Wales is or has any idea if it even existed. You do realize that most of the people in the world today have no idea that Wales is even a place, dont you? And how much do we know about the world of 10,000 years ago? Not very much. We know absolutely nothing of what civilization was like 40,000 years ago. In fact, the landform that is Wales no longer exists. I think everyone knows of Wales in 40k as "the West Wing of the Imperial Palace"
As for the Imperial language, what we read is a translation. Just about every world in the Imperium has its own language, but there are two languages in common. The commonly spoke tongue is Low Gothic, that every merchant, soldier, and most of the population of the Imperium knows, in addition to the language of their homeworld. Low Gothic and the native languages of their world are translated into English, French, German, Japanese, etc.. so that we can all understand what theyre saying. Its my understanding that Low Gothic sounds quite a bit a lot like German, but is quite different. The official language of the Imperium is High Gothic, which is an ancient tongue, the language of the Imperium unchanged since its founding. Its been around for over 10,000 years and was the language that belonged to the Emperor's faction when he conquered Terra and united the clans. Its spoken only by Imperial Officials and high born members of society, and is commonly used in ritual by every citizen, although it is barely understood by the vast majority of the population. Its hard for us English speakers to understand this, because in all English speaking countries everyone speaks pretty much the same, just with different accents or minor dialects. I think this takes after Germany, since there they have High German and Low German, and very few speak or understand High German. High Gothic is represented by a 'latinish' language, that is definately not latin, because it evokes in the reader the same kind of feelings that High Gothic would have to an Imperial citizen. The Catholic Church gave masses in latin for over a thousand years, and Latin has come to symbolize both a reverential spirituality and a noble and educated tongue. High Gothic is the same thing for the citizens of the Imperium. Latin is as lost to the denizens of the year 40,000 as is any of the languages we speak today.