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Im thinking about starting some fluff for a SM chapter....my idea is that huge warp storms have covered an area of space for centuries or whatever.....they clear up. Observation is done and test to make sure they arnt comming back....and then research misions are carried out on the coupla planets that were hidden in the storms...on one planet are found cases with space wolf insignia on it.....the cases are opened and inside one of them is an amulet....inside the other two are geneseed...tests are done on the geneseed and it is found to have slight impurties.....the adep. mech. decide to try and mend this by fusing it with another chapters geneseed.....
Its jsut a thought, does it sound like it could work....or is it too far fetched?.....
I wouldnt consider the basic idea to be too farfetched, but there are a couple of things that right now make it unfeasable. First is the use of the Space Wolves geneseed. Its very well established that the Adeptus Terra have made it a point never to use Space Wolves geneseed to start another chapter. The only other chapter ever made with SW geneseed was the Wolf Brothers, and they all wound up having the mark of the Wulfen and went berzerk. The chapter was destroyed. If cases with Space Wolf geneseed were found on a planet, the Adeptus Terra would not found a new chapter with it. Rather they would bring it back to Terra and file it away somewhere, never to be used.
Fusing geneseed is also problematic. Its a very risky business. The Cursed Founding is one such instance of the Ad Mech attempting to fuse geneseeds to stabilize them further, but the results were abysmal. Geneseed is a very delicate thing. The marines of the Cursed Founding wound up having hideous and crippling mutations that made them entirely unusable. As the SW geneseed is already unstable, and in fact has an extra piece (the Canis Helix), mixing SW geneseed with other geneseed is likely to cause the same types of mutations seen with the Cursed Founding. Between the tendency of new SW chapters to go Wulfen, and the mutations caused by mixing geneseed, you would have one messed up chapter of marines. The whole chapter would likely be euthanized before they ever got to even touch a bolter.
Agreed. AM dont just use random geneseed, they use stock from the original legions. Stuff that the warp has hidden for ages, who knows what chaos has been doing to it? It's just not safe.
But on your same token the geneseed could be from the Cursed Founding fused with SW. It might work in a weird sort of way. The fun part about Cursed Founding Chapters is that they are so unpredictable because of the mutations. Make them have some weird rule that strenthens and weakens them and they should be good.
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Cursed Founding could be an idea for the Cursed Founding... it seems from the "investigator" diary account of it that they were doing shifty stuff anyway, so using Space Wolves geneseed wouldn't be too unfeasible. But they would be damaged goods from the word go. Otherwise, as has been said, the Space Wolves geneseed isn't used.
Yeh.....I realised that AM dont ever use SW geneseed...and that they dont just use random gene seed they find.....this isnt for any rules or anything...i jsut wana write about the chapters creation....Ummm, can anybody think of how i could work this...The chapter is called the Blackwolf Knights....they will be extremely disobeidient to the imperium. Ummm, homeworld similar to fenris...all in good favor. I was thinking the Sw geneseed could somehow be fused with black templar...to make them more "religious" i guess whilst agressive and "disloyal"....Cheers people...
The Black Templar get their Geneseed from Rogal Dorn, and so are really Imperial Fists. Rogal Dorn's geneseed is flawed as well, but only in that there are several organs missing. Imperial Fists and successors dont have the ability to spit acid and are missing some other minor abilities. The Space Wolves are missing no organs, but they have some extras such as the Canis Helix which is the source of the Wulfen curse.
The theory of geneseed combination that was used for the Cursed Founding was that degraded and flawed geneseed (such as that of the Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Raven Guard, and Imperial Fists) could be used in conjunction with stable geneseed (such as Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Iron Hands, and Salamanders). Flawed geneseed was both a curse and a blessing. Those chapters thad had flaws were unstable and recruiting was more difficult, however each one had picked up some sort of advantage to compensate. It was hoped that by combining the geneseeds, chapters would becreated that had the advantages of the flawed geneseeds, but would be more stable and easier to use. Its very clear that this was a pipedream now. Geneseed reacts very badly with each other, and when mixed geneseed is used, in the vast majority of marines mutate beyond control and become horrific mosters. The reason for this is that every loyal legion's geneseed is flawed in some way, and these flaws play on one another. The Ultramarines, who claim to have the purest geneseed, in fact still have minor flaws that are fairly imperceptable. The only Legion that appeared to have flawless geneseed was the Death Guard, which is what gave them their reputation for resiliance because their organs and glands were working at top efficiency. Now, however, the Death Guard is probably the most corrupt. A few samples of DG geneseed remains on Terra locked in vaults and under the strictest protection, but the Adeptus Terra refuses to use any of their traitor geneseed for any purpose as they believe that it was the geneseed itself that lead them to chaos, and not any valid ill feelings toward the Emperor.
Because both the Imperial Fists geneseed and the Space Wolves geneseed are so flawed, any blending of their seeds is doomed to be a dismal failure. Even mixing them with Ultramarines would have a 99% chance of turning out horribly. But, I think I have a solution to our problem.
Whenever a new chapter is created, there are many things that need to be worked out by the Adeptus Terra, the Officio Munitorum, and the Adeptus Mechanicus. First, the geneseed to be used needs to be selected and prepared. Geneseed isnt selected at random. Rather, Space Marine chapters are founded with a specific role in mind and the best geneseed for that role is determined. If a chapter is being founded to become a crusading chapter or fortify a vital sector, the geneseed of Rogal Dorn is a good pick as that is what they excel at. Once they have the geneseed selected, the Officio Munitorum selects a planet, and they commonly select worlds that have fierce inhabitants and difficult environments as this keeps mutation to a minimum, which increases the likelyhood that the geneseed with mesh with the candidates from that world. Then the Ad Mech gets to the task of building a fleet and the muntions for the chapter, the Officio Munitorum begins construction of the chapters Fortress Monastery if there will be one and selects candidates for recuritment. The Adeptus Terra, however, has a more difficult task. The newly recruited marines have neither the experience nor the training required to assume leadership positions. The Adeptus Terra has the unenviable task of contacting the chapters at large that they can and requesting veterans to train and assume leadership of the foundling chapter. Normally their veterans are drawn from chapters with the same geneseed, but sometimes they aren't. I imagine that many times the new leadership are selected based on their ability to gaint he respect of the inhabitants of their homeworld and the new recruits. That leads me to my proposed idea.
Perhaps your chapter was created using Rogal Dorn's geneseed, which would inherently lead them to be religious and devout. However, Imperial Fists successors commonly make their homes on fortress, medieval, or civilized worlds, or use a large Battle Barge. An Imperial Fist would have a very hard time relating to or gaining the respect of a fierce and feral people. In addition, the Space Wolves have gained a reputation for being true defenders of the Imperium, and champions of the people. The High Lords are particularly impressed with Logan Grimnar. I'm not exactly sure where you got the idea that the Space Wolves were disobediant, but they are very loyal little puppies. Its true that Logan Grimnar has told several Imperial Governors and Warmasters to take a hike, and refused to fight alongside of certain Imperial forces, but you have to remember that as a chapter master, Logan Grimnar has every right to do that, and more.
Its possible that the Adeptus Terra could request a veteran of the Space Wolves to lead the new chapter, and that Logan Grimnar would agree to send some of his Wolf Guard to form the upper leadership. The result would be, as you said, a chapter that was inherently devout, but trained to be fierce. If you insist on your DIY chapter to be a bit disobedient or extreme, there is potential here too. They could become a group akin to the Knights of the White Wolf, a crusading chapter who show their faith by helping the needy and vanquishing evil. Or they could wind up becoming religious fanatics driven to genocide in the name of their faith by their ferocity.
Emperor's Children had a reputation for uncorrupted geneseed. That was before they turned into gibbering, sadistic gang rapists, however.
Isn't it ironic that all the Traitor legions get the best geneseed.
Oh, and while we're at it, what is exactly the flaw in the Imp Fists?
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According to their Index Astartes article, the Imperial Fists lack the Sus-An Membrane and the Betcherâ€™s Gland, so they canâ€™t go into suspended animation or spit acid as other Marines can. Apart from this, their geneseed appears to be very stable and shows no sign of mutation. Unexplained, however, is their need to scrimshaw the bones of past battle-brothers (and, according to the novel â€˜Space Marineâ€™ by Ian Watson, sometimes also their own bones :blink and their peculiar masochistic tendencies. :rolleyes:Originally Posted by Astral Claw
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