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Hey I wondered about the plausability of using Ork (and possibly other) mercenaries in my army. I have always liked the Orks but have never had a plausible reason to use them in an army of their own but i would really enjoy including ork units. If i used Ork mercs in my chaos army it would provide an excellent chance to add some nice variety to my force and also i would be able to create some nice ork fluff and a new element to my army. Also i was wondering what other implications it might have like the fact that i have a fleet and i would want to know if i should add some ork ships (no objection there). so i was just wondering what some of your suggestions/criticisms thanks.
A souls screams are their cries of thanks to the chaos gods
Last edited by Brigand; November 29th, 2005 at 22:03.
The only real thing is kroot.. who are statted very differently, I'm afraid.
You'd have to check with your opponent if he felt the 'counts as' was okay in this case. Personally, I'd consider it slightly tenuous.
what i meant was using orks like normal in my army and saying they are mercs.
Not via the rules you can't.Originally Posted by Brigand
If your friends would let you, though, I guess there isn't a problem.
Ork mercs exist in the fluff.. but they tend to change sides.
well for 1 thing cost, i barely have the money to finance my chaos army and i like the idea of orkz bein mercs especially bloodaxes(or a splinter). these are my reasons for not using a big ork army all their own i hope they are up to your approval
"A souls screams are merely their cries of thanks to the Chaos
"Horus was weak. Horus was a fool. He had the whole galaxy within his grasp and he let it slip away!" -Abbadon The Despoiler
The Kroot: You are what you eat.
Tyranids: YOU are what WE eat.
The trouble is, it's not about our approval. You're breaking the rules, and, while nice people might let you do that, it's going to cause problems if you want to play with people competatively.Originally Posted by Brigand
List mixing tends to make things a bit too powerful. Look at the lost and the damned, they're the closest thing you get to a 'mixed' list, but they have to have downsides and limitations to compensate. Chaos marines with ork allies don't have those downsides, save those written into the units, so you could get some vicious combos and lists out of that.
Remember, you can use kroot though. I was thinking of making some corrupted kroot myself to go with my slannesh army.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; November 30th, 2005 at 23:10.
within the vast cohorts of the Imperial Guard there have been a few notable examples of dealings with Ork Warlords and Ork Mercs although the majority of heretical use of Alien Mercs in M42 has been confined to desperate and isolated regiments on the Eastern Fringe employing Kroot. collaboration with Orks inevitably lead to the regiments being purged by the Inquistion if they survive being wiped out by the Orks themselves. Often renegade Imperial Commanders seeking to break from the Imperium have employed Ork Pirate fleets and Warbands to supplement renegade Imperial Guard and PDF regiments and system fleets. Imperial manipulation of the Blood Axes in particular was widespread in the Western Fringes up until the end of M39 until the efforts of Aliatoc Craftworld Eldar to isolate burgeoning human and Ork colonies, combined with the internal suppression of elements within the Ordo Xenos which advocated and initated overt Ork infiltration and employment.
Substanial Chaos collaboration took place during the 13th Black Crusade with Alpha Legion and Black Legion amassing considerable Ork Fleets paid in weaponry, ships and slaves. These grew in number and power and became known as the "Green Kroozade", swamping and crippling the Scarus Sector. early actions saw the majority of joint actions spearheaded by Chaos Marines strike vessels and boarding parties followed by steamrollering masses of Ork Fleets and Warbands. Often small Chaos warbands would attack strategic objectives followed by an immense Ork planetary invasion. inevitably the Orks turned their destruction onto the Chaos fighters as the sector folded, often finding them a far greater challenge than ill organised and ill prepared Imperial forces, sapped by decades of corruption and embezzelment. Notably within the Tharcian system Ork Fleets drove Chaos fleets into protracted battles and boarding actions which provided a vital breathing space for the Imperial defenders. The Orks storming of and capture of the Forge World Mordax Prime lead to the destruction of several Black Legion companies and Renegade Adeptus Mechanicus Warped Skitarii regiments who were trying to penetrate the deepest vaults and seize the secrets of the Devotees of the Machine God.
Last edited by deversnik; December 1st, 2005 at 13:59.
Just use a themed army. Use the most flexible list there is... The LaTD list of course! Orks are easily represented by the rules for mutants (with the big brawny rule of course). This way you can make an entire force of mercs if you so wish! Traitors can be the human mercs, orks "count as" big burly mutants, you can even have renegade space marines as allies, the arch heretic rules can be used as the lead merc (or rogue trader or whatever), IG tanks can be used as stolen guard tanks or looted ork ones, and get some chapter approved kroot mercs. Theme armies are a great part of the 40k universe that, frankly I don't see enough of. The best part is, that an army like this is perfectly legal, and can be used in tournies. Check out the Adeptus Mechanicus army that was in a recent WD, using the LaTD list. This army list is perfect for what your looking for. Just remember to adhear to the rules and put "counts as" on your list. Sound good?