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This is for my DIY Space Marine chapter(renegade, but not chaos). Don't worry about the fluff support, thats covered...
This is for the Eldar-minded...
You have about 500 8-foot tall Space Marines mutated(More agile and even better psykers) begging for tresspassing/hiding/whatever...
You notice that they have been stuck in the Warp(don't tell me I am unoriginal, this is the fluff in short), they are pure(got rid of chaos calling), they have millenia of inside warpfighting, have knowledge about the warp noone could posses(except for Space Wolf Wulfen, but noone can understand that howling and barfing.) Blablabla more positive blabla"My chapter is teh best blabla."
On the downside, the Inquisition is hunting them. They are stupid primal, feral, prehistoric cavemen, Mon-keigh.
Another backdraw is that these are not humans, not even Space Marines anymore... They are... whatever... And you don't wanna admit that these creatures are more than humans, because you are a egoistic eldar...
They have taken Eldar tech and use it. AND they use Necron tech, and you have a feeling in your slim eldar tummy that if the C'Tan gods gain control over these guys, you're in trouble...
They are pretty much exhausted, near dead, but could prove to be handy allies, or even tools...
How would Craftworld, Exodites and Dark Eldars deal with them?
Slaughter them? Ignore them? "Use" them? Teach them to use their superior skills? Make them allies?
And is there a difference between certain craftworlds?
EDIT: The fluff is quite long so I wont post it right now... under construction
Last edited by TehDarkPredator; December 2nd, 2005 at 14:21.
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The Eldar use everyone. They don't have the numbers to try and exterminate everyone, so instead they make their enemies fight each other. I believe the Third war for Armaggedon was caused by the Eldar, who steered the ork WAAAGH! into that planet. Thus, the Eldar had two of their most numerous enemies fighting each other. If only the Tyranids had gotten involved...
My gaming group's new motto: That army you're using is overpowered because it hurts my guys, codex is broken and needs a rewrite.
Space marines cannot really be directly used by eldar.. There's one simple reason for this. A space marine does not fear death in the same way regular humans do, they're more afraid of failure. Submitting to the will of a Xenos is an unforgivable failure.
If the eldar could use them without making their presence known, they probably would, otherwise they'd just leave them be.
Most aliens with a sense of self preservation know enough about space marines not to get near them unless it's essential.
It's also worth noting that eldar technology has its limits. Even if they could find these dudes in the warp (I'm not sure how, since they can't travel the warp themselves) how would they get them out?
As stated above, SM's wont co-operate with aliens. From what i know the only occasion when marines and eldar fought together was under the Defence of Ichar IV, 995M41. Marneus Calgar had control of Eldar, Marines and IG. They were fighting Hive Fleet Kraken. Page 36, the old SM codex.
I'll go out on a wild goose chase here if you don't mind.
I'm someone new to this game, so I can't claim any great familiarity with the fluff. However the impression that I've gotten from what I've read so far is that only the major events are written about. There are certainly a lot more wars than get mentioned. If there weren't, then in the grim darkness of the future where there is only war, there would also be an -awful- lot of mighty bored Space Marines playing checkers.
So, if a certain event is reported as happening in one place (a lost Crusade of Black templars, Eldar and Space Marines fighting together, dogs and cats living together, and other Ghost Busters jokes) it's a fairly safe bet that it's happened other times. It may be rare, but the game takes place during a fairly long time interval. Given it long enough, rare events can happen many times. After all, if Space Marines are always loyal and would rather die than betray the Emperor... where did the Chaos Space Marines come from?
Of course, people will get up in arms because you're going to do something a little different. This is just how people seem to be. I don't understand it. I don't get it. I just accept it. Still, if you can cite a single reference showing when something happened... I think you have a pretty good defense for whatever silly bit of fluff you want to use.
Then again, I'm a freak.
(I don't mean to be jumping down your throat, zenarion. I just realized it may sound a bit that way.)
Sounds, like your typical "my-space-marines-are-super-special-and-better-than-your-space-marines" fluff.
As to your question,
There are very very very few occasions when forces of the Imperium will fight along side eldar. It also depends on the situation. If the eldar wanted something they would take it by any means necissary. If the SM's were attacking them or messing with something they shouldn't be messing with? Then yea, they would attack them again. If they Eldar wanted to use them to be in the way of another enemy force that otherwise would have attacked them, they would use them to put them in the way. It would have to be incredibly dire circumstances that would make the eldar ally with anyone, they would have to have no other choice.
Well... time passes at a very different rate in Warp. But thats for a another time. Oh, and a Millenia? When were they founded? Knoweldge of the Warp more than none could posses? Surely at least the Chaos Socerors know more...You notice that they have been stuck in the Warp(don't tell me I am unoriginal, this is the fluff in short), they are pure(got rid of chaos calling), they have millenia of inside warpfighting, have knowledge about the warp noone could posses(except for Space Wolf Wulfen, but noone can understand that howling and barfing.) Blablabla more positive blabla"My chapter is teh best blabla."
I really disagree w/ Xeno Tech in Marines, Eldar is fine perhaps, but Necrons is just out of the limit. Why? Because (it says this in the Necron 'dex and the Wargear book) that they don't know how to work the Guns, as thier is no trigger, and the weapon is very... odd. I suggest buying the Eldar and Necron codex for adding relistic dimensions to this potentially very nice idea.
But now onto your q's!Craftworld = kill them (unless, as beast said they really needed allies), and take thier tech. Or manipulate them to do their bidding.How would Craftworld, Exodites and Dark Eldars deal with them?
Dark Eldar = Steal their souls/manipulate them.
Exodites=Interesting... they might not do.. anything. Or they might try to kill them.Some, but nothing that fundamental. Saim-Haim is just more likely to kill them, where as Ulthwe would manipulate them/kill them. :yes: Some subtle differences, but not that much. :yes:And is there a difference between certain craftworlds?
Hope that helps...
Thanks for the "encouragment" beast!"
I agree with almost all you said except for the third war of armeggedon, that was actually Ghazaskull's main plan the whole time since his first attempt to take the world. Your thinking of the smaller WAAAGH!!!s in the areas surrounding armeggedon.Originally Posted by lLonginus
No, he was actually thinking of the Second War for Armageddon.
As has been said, both the SM and the Eldar are too proud to help each other (or use each others technology), the Necron tech wouldn't work (how would they get it if they were in the Warp, anyway?). And why, if they are pure and without corruption, would the Inquisition be hunting them?
they would certianly use them, the marines themselves would probably not realise it actually thinking they used the Eldar.
dark eldar might do the same but are more likely to just kill them.
One must remember though even though Eldars have superior psyche and live longer thus probably wiser doesnt mean they are the puppetmasters.
remember that famous quote "once we were the masters of the universe, stars lived and died at our command etc etc"? thats right _once_ they were but now other races have awaken the Eldar did not forsaw.
I find it much more likely that the Harlequins aka the supreme masters of the warp would find them, how they would react i dont know.
However if your chapter of marines are stuck in the warp for such a long time mutation is pretty much a fact, the warp is the realm of chaos you know. Stay too long in there youÂ´re either dead, come out as a chaos marine or something not really human anymore.
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