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Original Chapter Master: Aletoth
Current Chapter Master: Kratos
Homeworld: Taris Ultima Fortress-Monastery Ship
Armor: Red with gold, black, and white components.
A relatively new Chapter formed a half a millenium ago, Aletoth was a sergeant of the Ultramarines 1st Company during the Tyrannic Wars. Believing the entire Chapter destroyed after the cataclysmic battle at the northern defences, he took his grieviously injured assault squad on the ship Emperor's Honor and left the battle immediately. After a year of free-floating, they made contact with the Black Templars, who did not believe them after they gave them the entire identity of the squad. Their names were Aletoth, Jerel, Norin, Cleton, and Kratos. The Black Templars took them in and DNA analysis confirmed they were Ultramarines. The closest Ultramarine encampment was 2 years away, and the Templar ship-master agreed to bring them there. On their way back, the five companions trained extensively in close-combat, learning deadly sword skills in conjunction with plasma pistols, which were their preffered weapons. Indeed, they made contact with an Orc ship and the foolish Orcs had attempted to board them. After finally making contact with the Ultramarines, they were now more like Black Templars then the Ultramarines, as they all had Black Templar weapons and honors. After being brought before the Ultramarines they were to be inducted into the 1st company for another long period. Finally, the Captain of the 1st Company realized that they fought no longer like Ultramarines, as they preffered close-combat. Indeed, the only thing they now had in common with the Ultramarines was their armour, and their hatred for the Tyranids. Marneus realized this, and sent them back to Macragge, where they were relieved of their armour and sent to Terra. Here their new armour was forged for them, they were all given Artificer armour for their brave deeds, but it was by Kratos' request and Aletoth's consent that their symbol was to be th Omega, a Greek symbol thatwhen turned upside-down was an exact replica of the Ultramarines symbol. Through the decades, when Aletoth died the Mastery went to Jerel, then to Norin, then Cleton, and finally to Kratos, who is the current Chapter Master. The Chapter Master always carries the power sword that was gifted to Aletoth by the Black Templars, the sword called the Obsidian Blade, and wears the armor given to them at the time of their founding.
Last edited by Kratos, Champion of Ares; January 3rd, 2006 at 22:40.
Firstly it's millennium when you're talking singular. Millennia is the plural.
Aside from that, I'm not sure marines would act in such a way to disgrace their original chapter; they're brought up that their chapter is the epitome of honour, bravery, skill etc, and to just discard all that at the first opportunity seems completely out of character. Plus the fact that Ultramarines do have assault squads.
And did I read aright that the five of them took out a whole ork hulk? Very far fetched; orks attack in hordes, in close quarters like a space ship I doubt that they could be stopped by that many marines, if they could be stopped at all by that number.
I will assume the Black Templars aided them when they were boarded by Orks. It is spelt with a 'k' in the 40k universe, however ridiculously pedantic that may seem.
The idea that they somehow diverged from their parent chapter's tactics by preferring assault is something of a puzzle in regards to Ultramaries. Ultramarines, having a Primarch who was the epitome of strategy, are adaptable to almost any situation and, with the Codex Astartes, literally have an answer to every tactical problem envisable. Also, the fact that this squad was essentially deserting - deserters are sent on a one-hundred-year penitent crusade upon recapture - raises questions as to why the Ultramarines would not only let them go, but make them the template for an entirely new Chapter.
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Let us not turn our eyes from the biggest problem of all.So this means that when we were all told that the first company was wiped out during the battle, five assault marines managed to survive, take an entire warp capable ship, and miss the giant space battle(s) raging on in ultramarine controlled space.after the cataclysmic battle at the northern defences, he took his grieviously injured assault squad on the ship Emperor's Honor and left the battle immediately.
Also that bit of rumoured BT geneseed thing is a pointless venture, no need for borderline heresy charges...
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I agree with Xerxes, the chapter wouldn't run away from a fight, they would die for honour even if it meant that they would lose.
I highly doubt the fact if Black Templars would accept another Chapter to train with them. and Marneus telling them to be relieved, and head off the Terra. Man if I was Marneus or he himself would do the same, smack the traitors for running away, and make them repent for a thousand no 10 thousand years until they die. LOL
Good point to everyone. I meant that they were helped by the BT in fending off the ork hordes. The only part I do like about the Ultramarines was that their G-S doesn't turn them into werewolves or tell them to go kill themselves (Blood Angels). In fact, I would like to see the whole Ultramarines Chapter rounded-up and mercilessly slaughtered. I hate everything about them right down to their gimpy blue colored armour. Yes it is a bit far-fetched but how else do they form a Chapter. Games-Workshop only lists 28 second-founding chapters. How else do they form other then them taking away at least 1 marine from another Chapter unless they have random spare Chapter Masters around? Also, i have read the Codex front-to-back and I see no "100 year penitent crusade." Then there is the fact that I know the Ultramarines have Assault Squads and I never said they didn't. Here is the short and sweet version:
1.) I HATE ULTRAMARINES!
2.) CC is the way to go
3.) Tyranids are fun to kill
4.) Red, black, gold and white look sweet together
5.) the name Kratos is awesome
6.) Plasma Pistols and Power Swords look incredible together
7.)Black Templars are sweetness
8.) Marneus Calgar's rules are far-fetched too, why should he get 4 wounds/ attacks when I'm sure there are better Chapter Masters out there that are better in CC
9.) Orks are pitiful
10.) Ares is the GOD OF WAR (in case you did not know)
Last edited by Kratos, Champion of Ares; January 3rd, 2006 at 22:49.
I think it's pretty exceptional for a marine to change chapter during his own lifetime. Chapters are very concerned about their honour and identity. Chapters, as far as I'm aware, are generally bred from scratch.
Also, prefering close quarter combat is not mutually exclusive with being an ultramarine. Like all space marines, ultramarines know how and when to drop the bolter and punch some filthy xenos heads off. Rather than kicking them out of the chapter, the Captain would probably ask them to teach what they'd learned to the rest of the veteran company, to better improve their effectiveness and versatility. Marneus Calgar rules in CC because he is the greatest living chapter master.. I'm sorry all you smurf haters (myself included,) Marneus is fluffwise the best loyalist warrior currently alive. His rules reflect this.
Also, I have to agree with the others. Five marines survive the destruction of the polar base.. fine.. that I can understand. They then steal a ship, but from where? Assuming they manage it, the 5 of them manage to assume the entire chapter is dead despite the massive space battle (which includes ultramarine ships) and not only decide to run away (Space Marines almost never run away.. death holds no fear for someone who has abseloutely nothing to lose from it) but also that the five of them can pilot the ship without a navigator.
Also, don't they suffer any ill effects from being trapped in the warp. The legion of the damned and the death guard are both good examples of how unfortunate being trapped in the warp can be. Think 'event horizon.'
And sorry, orks are not pitiful.. in fact, they're one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy.. they control as many planets as the Imperium, they can reproduce like rabbits with a years supply of viagra, and they are almost impossible to wipe out permanently.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; January 3rd, 2006 at 23:24.
Kratos, while I realise that you are not the only Space Marine player to dislike the Ultramarines Chapter, I do think that your hatred might be a bit misplaced. The Ultramarines are not a bad Chapter at all; true, they might not seem very interesting being a standard Chapter in every way possible and without any special features, but remember that this is actually because they’re setting the standards for other Chapters to follow. Their conduct is exemplary and their battle honours unmatched, and I dare say their colour scheme isn’t actually all that bad (at least they’re not wearing yellow power armours. :rolleyes
I readily admit to preferring other, more… shall we say peculiar, Chapters over the Ultramarines, but if I were actually living in the 40k universe they’re without a doubt the Chapter I would prefer to come to my rescue; for once, they don’t suffer from that nasty tendency to kill everything around them, friend and foe indiscriminately, that is not uncommon in other Chapters.
As for your fluff, I agree with what has already been said by the others in this thread. Also, it would seem you have corrected the dubious geneseed origin in your original fluff, which I can only agree with; mixing the geneseed of different Chapters has only been done once and with disastrous results, and I’m sure neither the Ultramarines nor the Black Templars would care to repeat the mistakes of the Cursed Founding. As for using Ultramarine geneseed, why not chose another Chapter if you dislike them so much? Apart from the Blood Angels and the Space Wolves there are few impurities to be found in the geneseeds of the First Founding Chapters.
As for penitent crusades, they’re very common among most Space Marine Chapters, although I doubt you’ll find much on the subject in the Codices. However, something as serious as abandoning the field of battle would probably result in a much graver punishment than mere penitence; Ultramarine Captain Uriel Ventris once did the very same in order to bring the battle to the enemy, and as we all know he ended up with one-way ticket to the Eye of Terror and a suicide mission to match. I find it unlikely that running away and stealing a ship would earn anyone battle honours and the right to found a new Chapter. Also, Chapters don’t decide to create a Successor themselves; it is decided for them by the Adeptus Terra, who also provides the new Chapter with a suitable supply of geneseed.Actually, Khorne and Khaine are the gods of war, and neither seems an appropriate deity for a newly formed Imperial Space Marine Chapter. :rolleyes:Originally Posted by Kratos, Champion of Ares
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Thanks to all. It is a very stupid idea but where do most ideas start other then from bad ones . Hey, I used to hate SMs until I went to Poland over the summer and played around with the interactive painter in the SM section. I guess the only reason I hated the Space Marines was because I despised the colour scheme of the Ultramarines' armour. The funny part is I actually like the Imperial Fists' armour color, and if I had not already long since started my Disciples of Ares army I would either make Disciples of Zeus with yellow and black armour or Disciples of Hades with gold and purple armour cause purple looks awesome (Hawk Lords in SM codex). I thought "smurfs referred to the general Space Marines but I am guessing that in refers to the Ultramarines in particular. Also, I would think that, oh say,........... the Black Templars Chapter Master would be better in CC then calgar (show no respect with capitals).
Khorne and Khaine should fight Ares and see who the real God of War is (i.e. they would die). If that failed, they can fight Athena.
Last edited by Kratos, Champion of Ares; January 4th, 2006 at 21:00.
I dunno.. I'd think they're probably about equal. I'd imagine Helbrecht has a lot of zeal and righteous fury, but Calgar is a more methodical, technically skilled fighter. What seperates the two is that Calgar is also an exceptional commander and tactician. Helbrecht is pretty inspirational, but I'm not sure he's memorized the codex word for word in the way Calgar has.Originally Posted by Kratos, Champion of Ares