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ok im just going to put Veins storyline here instead of army fluff.
Lieutenant Vein of the Black Legion was created by the emperor along with his fellow Lunar Wolves. He was one of the few space marines that chose the scout armour over that of a battle brother. He was acknowledged a master of his art after several successful infiltration missions and was granted a most unusual request. With the emperors permission Vein gathered the greatest scouts the space marines had into an elite force. Ar'Narh of the Iron Hands, Monnorro of the Ultramarines, Rante of the deathguard, Masen and Branch of the Raven Guard, Thrace of the Alpha Legion Scine of the Night Lords, Fey of the Thousand Sons and his second in command Tarius of the Dark Angels.
When the heresy broke out Vein followed the rest of the Sons of Horus into chaos worship, Vein however had the additional problem that the troops at his command would remain loyal.
However due to their proximity to Horus or loyalty to Vein all of Vein's elite team immediately and willingly continued to serve Vein despite some of their chapters remaining loyal.
During the Siege of the Emperors Palace Vein faced another Unique problem. His fame had spread throughout the legions and he knew the enemy primarchs had details of his usual tactics. Vein decided to mix his usual infiltration tactics with the brute force of the chaos marines.
Vein and his Elites discovered a total of eight secret passages into the palace and each time he found one he would lead hundreds of Khorne berserkers down it and launch an attack from behind.
During the eighth raid though Vein had the misfortune of leading the company belonging to Kharn the Betrayer. Kharn named Vein a coward for such sneaky tactics and struck Vein with his axe. Tarius hit Kharn with his fist, knocking him backwards, Tarius grabbed Veins crippled body and escaped, leading the Elite offworld. Since that day Tarius has worn his power fist in the hopes he will meet Kharn again.
Vein was the first of his team to fall.
Veins Elite called upon the powers of chaos to save him and that is where they first met the minor god of the warp: Naragor. Naragor agreed to help Vein for the usual price chaos demands... mass sacrifice. Naragor created a black light around Vein as the demon began his magicks. When it was over Vein returned to his team bearing the gifts of chaos. He was far more agile now and could dodge and weave with insane speed. Most spectacular of all though was his tail, covered in spikes with a cruel venomous hook at the end. Vein was also empowered with inhuman strength and his Elites feared this was a sign of possession and that a demon could burst from Vein at any time.
Lieutenant Vein swore that he would repay his debt to Naragror in his own way rather then pleading to Abaddon for help. Vein raided several Imperial facilities to raise funds for his new plan.
The next phase of Veins was to locate a lone nob leader of the enormous skull crushers clan. Vein enticed the ork leader with promises of riches, warboss of the clan and being one of the most powerful orks alive, on one condition, that he launch a waaagghh on the nearby Vandred System. The ork failed to see any downsides and readily agreed. Veins Elites then proceeded to assassinate the current warboss and any rivals his pet ork might encounter.
Phase three was to bribe several imperial governors in the Vandred System into joining the dark powers of chaos. With Veins enormos amount of stolen funds and the natural whipers of chaos Vein corrupted approximately a third of the governors.
As Veins pet ork launched his waaaghh the imperial planets were quick to rally only to find a third of their forces turned against them. This resulted in a three way battle in the bloodiest warfare imaginable. Adding to the carnage a host of necrons emerged from their tombs. The war only ended when the Dark Angels chapter arrived and orbital bombarded almost the entire system. It was the largest sacrifice ever devoted to a minor god.
Soon after the massacre of the Vandred system Vein was called into service in the first black crusade. Veins Elites were assigned their mission to Agripinaa, the fortress world of the Adeptus Mechanics and supplier of heavy arms to Cadia. They were ordered to sabotage and destroy the large titan base there.
The security measures around Agripinaa were abysmal as the few forces around the eye of terror were on Cadia. Veins Elites had no problem infiltrating the base and began laying down remote mines. Naragor however took the idea one step further. He unleashed his demons onto the base possessing every titan there and opening fire. Naragor and his new titans slaughtered huge sections of the civilian populace thanking Vein for this "most worthy sacrifice,"
Lieutenant Vein was once again surrounded by the black light and when he emerged the gifts were less obvious this time. His tail was tattoos with all means of chaotic runes and symbols.
"These marks grant you two powers Vein, said Naragor, "They mark you my champion and i shall ensure your protection. They also bind you to me and grant you power over my demons. You are my champion now Vein."
Even chaos marines as skilled as Veins Elite cannot remain successful indefinately though and over the centuries the Elite died one by one either in botched missions, traps set by the imperium or betrayal from rival legions. Each time this happened Tarius would strip him of his power armour and Vein would seek a replacement to fill it. Eventually only Tarius and Fey remained of the original team, only they could constantly keep up with the pace set by Vein.
When the thirteenth black crusade began Veins Elite was once again tasked with a preliminary strike. This time he was to infiltrate into the sewers beneath Cadiaâ€™s capital city and escort a chaos marine marked for possession into hiding, ready to surprise the defenders when the crusade began.
Although an extremely difficult mission Veins Elite managed to penetrate Cadiaâ€™s incredible defences undetected. He left the marine hidden in the sewers wrapped in daemonic chains. Then the crusade began.
As the first assault began the ground began to shake and the demon emerged. Vein paled as he stood there and watched as Naragor burst from the ground in a berserk fury. Naragor summoned his hordes and tore his way through the meek imperial guardsmen futilely trying to bring him down.
â€œI can sense you Vein,â€? roared Naragor, â€œthat rune still binds us and when I find you I shall kill you. How dare you lock me into a mere mortal like a common demon. I am a god, I do not simply possess mortals at the whim of you marines.â€? You should know that no marine has ever manipulated the powers of chaos to their own ends and lived.â€?
Naragor continued to scream his curses at Vein as he fought his way through the guardsmen. Vein had no choice but to flee with his Elites.
Naragor returned to the warp but still would not stop his revenge against Vein. Vein was constantly running from nightmares and horrors coming to ambush him. Eventually he decided upon the course of action that he knew best, he would assassinate his own god: Naragor.
Vein led his Elites deep into the eye of terror using the runes on his tail to seek the demon. Vein eventually tracked him to the legendary deathworld of Kai. He found Naragor deep inside the cities capital infested with demons, when Vein approached he simply used his tail to make them back off. As Vein approached Naragor set off the trap he had prepared. Naragor roared a challenge that he would face Vein alone using his Magicks to isolate Vein from the rest of the team with a wall of psychic energy.
Behind Naragor, Vein could see a pair of lightning claws of incredible quality. Naragor seemed to notice where Vein was looking announcing that these were the finest weapons Kai produced, they were made specifically for Captain Sicarius of the Ultramarines but when the warp storm hit they got stuck here for me. I was going to gift them to you Vein until you betrayed me on Cadia. Naragor then struck Vein with a psychic power, Vein fell to the floor writhing in pain.
The rest of the Elites stood helplessly behind the psychic wall as they watched Vein collapse.
â€œWe do have one chance to help Vein,â€? said Fey quietly. â€œIt seems our masters habits have worn off on me,â€? he said grinning, â€œyou see I stole this key from Ahriman himself and it has the power to teleport people. However it was meant for Ahriman not me and I only have the power to make it work once, Tarius youâ€™re the strongest so Iâ€™m sending you whether you like it or not.â€? And with that Tarius disappeared, reappearing several seconds later behind Naragor.
Tarius immediately hit Naragor with his power fist breaking the demons concentration and allowing Vein to get back up and attack Naragor. Between them they kept a deadlock with the demon until Fey finally broke the wall. The Elites then rejoined Vein and surrounded Naragor. Between them they leapt on him inflicting multiple fatal wounds. Even a demon like Naragor couldnâ€™t sustain that kind of damage for long and he eventually died to the savagery of the attack from Veins Elite.
Walking over the broken body of his former god Vein claimed the pride of Kai for his own, wearing the claws as a last gift from his god.
Lieutenant Vein is a chaos Lieutenant armed with a pair of lightning claws, spiky bits, daemonic strength, daemonic mutation (his tail), Mark of chaos undivided, infiltrate.
In larger games his tail counts as a personal icon and is strong enough to deflect attacks counting as bionics. In the storyline his tail is poisonous but in game terms giving him this ability would mean sacrificing his weapons. His daemonic rune faded as soon as Naragor died so he no longer has that ability. He is always accompanied by a unit of 9 chosen with infiltrate, Tarius has a power fist and is an aspiring champion and Fey is the sorcerer of the group carrying the icon.
Finally I would still appreciate ant modelling tips.
If a mod feels this is in the wrong forum feel free to move it to army fluff.
Thanks for reading Veins history.
The problem here is that daemons can't die..Originally Posted by LordLink
Their bodies are made of warp energy, and when they sustain too much damage to maintain their physical forms, they merely disappear back into the warp. They might collapse to the floor, but their bodies won't stay there.. they'll melt away or explode into warpfire or something like that.
After being banished in this way, a daemon will be trapped in the warp for a while, but not permanently. A daemon can only be destroyed by obliterating its presence in the warp, and, as far as I'm aware, only other daemons (and possibly the Emperor) had the power to do that.
Finally, you describe Naragor as a god. But, as far as I'm aware, gods can't manifest in the physical world. The laws of physics wouldn't be able to accomodate them.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; January 6th, 2006 at 16:47.
1. Immeadiately post-heresy is far too early for Necrons. They didn't start to wake up till easily 6000+ years later.
2. Deathworld of Kai....you mean Daemonworld. A Deathworld is something quite different.
3. I find the Sicarius of the Ultramarines thing.....odd. According to the known fluff Sicarius is currently captain of the second company of the Ultramarines. Why would he leave without taking his Lightning Claw with him? And what would he be doing in the Eye of Terror anyway? And you claim the weapons were produced on Kai....would a member of the Ultramarines want a lightning Claw made by Daemons? They'd rather die than use something forged by heretics. Might want to have a think about that bit again.
4. The whole 'Naragor is a god thing' seems very over-powered. While there are minor powers of Chaos, they are all apparently kept in check by the Major powers (who wouldn't like to see anyone else get too powerful). The Chaos gods all represent an emotion as I'm sure you know (Khorne = War, Slaneesh = Pleasure etc). A chaos god would represent some such aspect, or he would merely have to be a Daemon of one of the major powers. And if he is a 'god' you can kill him in close combat with a group of marines? And the idea of a Chaos 'God' manifesting in the physical world, no matter how much you sacrificed towards it...
To me it would make much more sense if you made Naragor a greater daemon, perhaps of undivided or perhaps of another power (up to you). An incredibly powerful greater daemon, but I would not try to claim more than that. In his physical manifestation you could have him possess something/someone (as Daemons must genereally do to manifest in the real world), to become a Daemon Prince.
The Changer Of Ways is God? Right? Hecan run around sluatering countless billions...right so gods (In teh 40k world) can manifest in the physical world
Pew pew pew! (Had too)
yea there are a couple of time things ive overlooked. Everyone please ignore the refrerence to Captain Sicarius since he isn't born yet, hes just the only person i know who likes lightning claws. I also didnt know that about the necrons but i'll take that out too.
Ok Kai is now a demonworld and is completely dead and overrun by Naragors demons. And ok Naragor is now a greater demon who just thinks hes strong enough to be a god. I think he should still be stronger then a common bloodthirster though...
Would anyone think it would be at all reaslistic if Vein took Naragor's "dead" body to Abaddon who used his influence over the chaos gods to have Naragors warp presence removed. If anyone can do it Abaddon can after all.
That's a confusing statement..Originally Posted by Facade
Do you mean Tzeentch? Because if so, Tzeentch has never manifested in the physical world. The closest he ever got was his wierd partial possession of Horus (along with all the other gods) during the Heresy.
Or do you mean a lord of change.. because if so, a lord of change isn't really a god. The more powerful ones in particular can probably claim to be god like, and they certainly could run around slaughtering millions. But they aren't gods. They serve a power which is even greater than them, who as stated cannot manifest in the physical world.
As far as I'm aware, Abbadon cannot remove the warp presence of daemons. He can ask his big scary chaos god friends to do it, I guess, but I'd imagine if Naragor is not a servant of a chaos god, he's probably found some way to prevent them just munching him like an insect. As an alternative though, Vein could ask a very powerful sorceror to bind Naragor's essence into an object, like a daemon weapon.
I doubt the sorceror would do it for free though. He's putting his life on the line by irritating a very powerful daemon who could potentially come back and do some uneccesary surgery one day. Then again, having Vein indebted to a mysterious and incredibly evil figure might be a funky character adition.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; January 7th, 2006 at 01:43.
Then again, having Vein indebted to a mysterious and incredibly evil figure might be a funky character adition.[/QUOTE]
Thats a very good idea. The only reason Vein is a lieutenant is so that when my army hits about 2000 points i can have a huge points sink as my Lord:rolleyes: . If I make that Lord a sorceror as well and give him a demon weapon containg Naragor he would fit into the fluff nicely.