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Well i was just wondering, if there could ever be a 2nd emperor or like a reincarnation of the emperor like in warhammer fantasy where valtan is the reincarnation of sigmar? Could it happen? Should the impirium think about searching for him? I think YES it could happen and it would be truly sweet!!!
Last edited by Karmoon; October 23rd, 2007 at 01:40.
It would not be sweet, it would cause a civil war. Look for some stuff on the Thorian inquisitiors about this.
Basically, if someone turned up claiming to be the Emperor (real or not) you'll get a clash between believers and non-believers, resulting in the Imperium tearing itself apart again.
Hehe.. It is quite a cool idea.
The fluff for my new inquisitorial army is all about a crazy Thorian/Istvaanian secret society trying to create a second Emperor artificially by breeding and training 'exceptional' humans.
Thorians are probably the closest 'mainstream' faction in the Imperium though, they don't look for a second Emperor, but they look for people who have been blessed in some way by the Emperor, taking on a fraction of his power. Saint Celestine, for example, was considered to be such a person.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; January 18th, 2006 at 16:41.
In the rulebook for the game, inquistor, there is some fluff about inquisitors finding a body to inset the emporer into
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Isn't this also expanded upon in the rumors swirling around Cypher. He is supposedly on a quest to take the Lion Sword to Terra. Kill the Emperor so that he is completely free of his bonds and then repossesses Cypher to become the second coming of the Emperor. I have never actually read this anywhere, but it has gotten around a few times. It is also supposed to be attached to the Starchild, but again. I have not concrete fluff to draw upon.
Grand Master Belial is correct that in the old fluff it was prophesised that the Emperor would at some point die and eventually be reborn in a new physical body; this ties into the whole Star Child theory that has later become obsolete with newer versions of the fluff. Currently I donâ€™t think we know what would happen if the Emperor died, except that the Imperium would collapse without the religious devotion to their god and the guiding light of the Astronomican powered by the Emperor; presumably humanity would then be overrun by various hostile alien races and/or Chaos.
As for there coming a second Emperor while the first is still locked into the Golden Throne, I highly doubt thatâ€™s possible. The old fluff would have it impossible because the Emperor is an artificially created psyker empowered by the reincarnated souls of a group of shamans, a practise only possible before the warp was filled with daemons, whereas the newer fluff never reveals the origins of the Emperor but makes it clear that he is not an ordinary human being. For human evolution to create anyone as powerful as Him by chance seems quite impossible. Even alpha-plus level psykers are nowhere nearly as strong as He is.
And for someone to try and usurp Him without having His psychic powers, I find that equally impossible; the Imperium would never accept the usurperâ€™s rule and he would quickly be killed by some Imperial faction or other. Horus tried making himself the new Emperor of humanity and failed; since then I doubt anyone could come even close to contest with the Emperor for power. He is more than merely a leader now, after all. He is a god. How can anyone usurp a god?
So no, I donâ€™t think there could ever come a second Emperor, and I think for the first to die and be reborn would also be a pretty bad idea. The Imperium needs Him where He is at the moment, as a religious icon and to focus the power of the Astronomican.
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This raises an interesting (although slightly off-topic) point about if the Emperor were to die. I wonder if the Imperium would actually collapse and the Astronomican would actually go out. It is entirely possible that the Emperor, once He dies, will become part of the Warp once again. Seeing as how there are billions and billions of people who worship the Emperor as a god already, I believe that should He die, He will become something along the lines of the Chaos Gods due to the power of thoughts, emotions, and beliefs to influence the Warp. Perhaps they have done so already and there is some kind of "vessel" within the Empyrean waiting to recieve Emperor's soul once he dies. Shaped by the thoughts and emotions of the people who worship Him, he would continue to power the Astronomican and lend power to His devotees much in the same way that the Chaos Gods do to theirs.
This is merely an alternate theory of course. Given the dark nature of the 40K universe, it would not surprise me if the Imperium splintered upon itself and Humanity was wiped off the face of the galaxy once the Emperor passed away.
And if there would be a civil war over who is the emperor, were would the Space marines loalty lie, in the dead guy or the new one, who they would most likly get a blood sample from to see if he is the real guy or not!
Definitely the dead one, as he was known to the Chapters and is in their history.Originally Posted by AgeofGold
The new one would have to fight an uphill battle to slowly convince all the Chapter Masters out there. Unless the Primarchs that haven't died make a return to convince the Chapters.
One theory i had was that if say 10,000 alpha-level psykers got together (will never happen) and were reincarnated then you could have someone more powerful than the Emperor. Or perhaps if a new shield for humanity could be created and the Emperor could use the life-force of the psykers to restore his body. Also, in the new fluff people don't know if the Emperor is even alive anymore.
I shall destroy all who stand in my way. The Emperor shall be reborn in me, the Primarchs shall be remade in me. I shall cast down the Dark Gods, the Star Gods shall be consumed just as they consumed their brothers. Those who fell shall be redeemed, those who remained pure shall be rewarded. The Imperium shall regain its power and the Dark Age of Technology will seem like nothing. For I am the Numen and I am coming