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I have wanted to make a custom space marine chapter for some time now. It has taken a long time for me to decide upon what to base it around as i want something a bit special. I came up with the idea of having a small group from a traitor legion being defeated by some radical inquisitor and then their gene-seed is taken to make loyalist marines which have had their minds purified from chaos (if this is possible). However, I have a few questions about this:
1) Is this totally unrealistic or unfluffy?
2) I have heard that the Emperor himself needs to confirm the creation of a new chapter. I don't think this kind of a chapter would be very appreciated though as they would have their gene-seed taken from traitors. Do you have any tips of how I could get this to work?
(forgot to mention I would be using space marine rules)
Any other tips/comments appreciated but please don't be too harsh, this is my first attempt at creating a chapter .
This might be a bit harsh but don't worry it will be constructive critisisim.
I am afraid that this is completly unrealistic. ALL the genetic material needed to make a new space marine chapter comes from the 21 Founding Legions. The two lost legions and the nine Traitor ones can be discounted because thier genetic material is kept under in a timesealed statis chamber never to be re-opened (and rightly so as they are traitors and tainted).
Indeed it does require the Emperor's permission to begin a new Chapter though in reality the order comes from the High Lords of terra speaking on His (the Emperor) behalf.
They only sanction new chapters to be made in the most severe of cuircumstances and new chapters undergo rigorous testing to make sure they are not tainted from the start.
The High Lords would not be happy if an Inquisitor (especially if he was KNOWN to have radical tendencies) told them to begin a new chapter. Especially not with genetic material he had somehow "aquired" (it isn't a bring your own!).
The other issue is why the Inquisitor wants to use these traitor marines genetic material in particular? Traitor marines come from either pure stock (i.e a founding legion which has subsequently turned to chaos) or tainted stock the original Traitor Legions (Alpha Marines World eaters etc). In the case of the former what would be the point of using that material [from the traitors] when you could just use the original stuff, and in the case of the latter even a radical Inquisitor would know better than mess with the genetic material of the arch enemies of the Imperium, particularly in creating another chapter (making another 1000 Emperor's children is NOT a good idea).
Finally the Inquisitor wouldn't be able to create a chapter himself from scratch because No one bar the High Lords have this ability/technology available. Attempting to re-create/steal this technology would be considered the most blatent and supreme form of Heresy and would result in the quickest trial and execution seen in the Imperium since Zarltos the Depraved Champion of Slaneesh went to a Sisters of Battle Home World and asked for a bit of rumpy pumpy.
An easier way of doing this would be to simply have a Chaos Space Marine legion (not the original nine but a later one) turn back to the path of the Imperium, the Radical Inquisitor is intrigued by the possibility of using former Deamon Possessd space Marines to defeat the forces of Chaos.
Sorry to cut through your idea but that is the way the background works, of course its your models and its a free world you can come up with whatever background you want as long as it doesn't change the rules, the Games Workshop Police aren't going to to storm your house (though the Ordeo Hereticus might).
Last edited by Visitor Q; February 16th, 2006 at 18:14.
Thanks for your reply!
I understand your point and looking at it now it seems really stupid to use traitor marine gene-seed.
The thing I wanted to do was really to get some "not-completely-chaos" legion turned back to the emperor's light and the idea you brought up is great for this!!!. However, I do want my army to fit in with the background so would it be possible to actually turn a chaos follower back to the imperium?
This is sounding like a 13th Company army but without the beer-swilling and the fleas. I can see a Loyalist Chapter created shortly after a Black Crusade that went on a Crusade of their own into the Eye. Using Guerilla tactics, they survived off the spoils of battle with the Traitor Legions. Though their numbers have dwindled to the point that they must come out of the Eye to gain new recruits. They get intercepted by the Inquisition and now they are watched very closely by the Ordo Hereticus as they rebuilt before plunging into the Eye again.
Their armour would be a bit more Chaotic than normal and an Inquisitor in a different color scheme may be leading the marines into trials of fire to test their purity. Though they do nothing more than use the marines as elite troops for their own purposes.
This is just my suggestion
Originally Posted by Sven_Bloody_Hand
There's a quote somewhere in the 4th Edition rules that runs along the lines of heretics may see the light, repent and be absolved in death, but traitors can never be forgiven. On that note it'd probably be highly unlikely anyone who had committed any act of traitorism, no matter how small, would be accepted back into the fold.
That said, the Imperium is a mass of intrigue, lies and nastiness: perhaps your Inq or someone else has a vested interest in getting these particular Marines back into the Imperium and has manipulated the truth about their deeds so that an act of treason becomes a fairly minor act of heresy. The ringleader was executed, the rest of his brothers swore their oaths again and are undegoing purity tests under the watchful eye of an Inquisitor or someone higher up, and pretty soon they'll be back where they belong. There are loads of ways you could finagle it so that your chapter could be accepted back, but to be honest unless what they'd done was fairly minor to start off with and they had someone covering for them it's really, really unlikely imho.
So maybe it could be about a chapter that was sent on a crusade into the Eye of Terror (like Belial wrote) and then they could become traitors and worship some chaos god. An inquisitor might find out about this chapter and become interested in something special about them.He then starts investigating the chapter and he notices they have begun turning their backs on their god while seeing all their betrayals and sins. The inquisitor is delighted and makes up a story about them saying that they have been loyal all the time. Suspicious as always, the imperium sends them on a penitence crusade under the command of the inquisitor to prove their loyalty.
Does this sound believable?
Another question: Could I include some minor mutations to represent that they have been in the Eye?
Last edited by Sven_Bloody_Hand; February 15th, 2006 at 06:26.
In actualy fact some chapters did turn rebbelious and were then sent on penitent crusads (the Lamenters and Executioners I believe) during the Badab uprising.
Mutations would be sen as heretical and the chapter (or at the least theose individuals) purged o the other hand remember two things 1)Its a radical Inquisitor these guys use deamon hosts
2)The galaxy is a big place whose to know.
That sounds cool to me, plus it leaves the way open for them to be blackmailed/ threatened with exposure which could be a good reason to have them kicking some other Imperiumite's backside. As far as mutations go the Inquisitor has already been willing and managed to cover up the fact that they've basically been worshipping Chaos so coping with and hiding a few imperfections shouldn't be a problem. Plus like Berny said, it's a big galaxy, whose to know? As long as they haven't got fifteen arms or a tank for a head or something it should be fine.
Wouldn't happen.. I'm afraid, for two reasons.Originally Posted by Sven_Bloody_Hand
Once you've turned to chaos, there is no going back. It's not even like darth vader in star wars. You've become the property of a being whose displeasure can melt you into goo.. What is more, the chaos gods like to alter the minds and bodies of their servants to conform more to their ideas. After a while, the distinction between the individuals goals and those of his gods may well begin to blur.
I've forgotten where it's written, but basically, Imperial theology makes a distinction between a heretic and a traitor. A heretic (i.e. someone who alters the imperial creed) can be forgiven if he recants and accepts judgement and death, but a traitor (a chaos worshipper) is never forgiven in this world or the next.
The Lamenters and co made it because they genuinely didn't know what they were doing. They thought it was all about the Imperial authorities senselessly attacking one of their fellow marine chapters, and had no idea at all there was any chaos involvement until it was too late.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; February 15th, 2006 at 12:47.
its all well to say, its a big universe, but some things go to far, essentially any Chapter that strays too far inevitably has to turn renegade to escape Imperial wrath, some renegade chapters only turn to Chaos worship once on the run in a desperate bid to survive
The Lamenters etc, thought other Imperial organisations were threatening the independence of the Adeptus Astartes