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I was talking to my dad about warhammer 40k awhile ago and a little thing came up. First off, let me say he doesn't play wh40k.
Anyway, getting to the point, the basic gyst of what he was saying was that why don't they just use "super weapons". What he meant by this was, the equivalent of a Nuclear weapon but in the future. He said that sense its in the future they should have weapons of mass destruction - but in the game there's no real weapon like that.
Now, of course they can't simulate that into gameplay because it would distort or mess up the gameplay even moreso then it was. I guess right now im kind've rambling and I don't really know where this is going, but I thought I'd just say that because it was on my mind.
He also said that wh40k armies are really "low tech" for being in the future, but in paticular Orks, and IG. He said that IG tanks don't look any different then they do now and look even worse then they do currently (which I see as true as well).
Anyway, I don't really know what I was exactly trying to say or the point of this, but I thought I'd just share it with you anyway....
Edit: By the way, I wasn't sure were to post this so I thought the most appropriate place to put it was here; however, I thought it might go in the Armies section but I don't know. Feel free to move this to a different section.
Ok firstly, they do. The Imperium has advanced virus bombs that can destroy an entire planet. Every living thing, down to the molescualr level, is destroyed. Orks, use crude nukes, and other armies have similar doomsday weapons. These are in the fluf fof course. Not gameplay. But feel free to play a scenario where one side is trying to stop the other from detonating or launching such a device.Originally Posted by IAmAngelWell, we have our futuristic laser weapons, faster-than-light (warp) travel, ability to make space ships spanning a couple miles, teleportation equipment etc. Orks are primitive by design. Everything they do is crude, but in a very effective way. You also have to remember that there was a period of "super advanced" tech. It was the "dark age of technology". Back then the Imperium had super terra-froming machines, war machines that could destroy planets, super computers/machines that could run an entire world, genetic engineering, etc. But most of this was lost or destroyed in the age of strife. Some of it has been badly copied or produced. But it's also hard to move forward with the dogmatic machine cult refusing to alter any such devices on religious grounds.Originally Posted by IAmAngel
Ahh thanks for that. I don't read the fluff much so I don't know much about it. Anyway....
Thanks for the insight,
Last edited by brushman; March 10th, 2006 at 02:56.
I like the guard the way they are. I dont think it'd be right if they were all super advanced etc. I just like the thought of a lemon tank charging across the field with tons of smoke coming from behind it due to its crappy engine lol
i think you and your pops have completely missed the point, Orks and Imperial Guard are meant to be degenerate technologically, Imperial Guard tanks would get battered by 21st century tanks
tac-nucs would make it all a bit pointless
In the fluff there is; the weapons used to carry out Exterminatus, virus bombs and the such-like, are capable of wiping out tens of billions of people. Then there are those Blackstone Fortress things that Abaddon keeps nicking, and the Planet Killer which he already has (does exactly what it says on the tin, sounds pretty super to me ). In game terms we don't get these weapons because it wouldn't make sense; the games centre around small-scale actions which can only really be fought by troops on the ground, particularly rescue or relief scenarios. You can't raze a siege with nukes (or rather you can, but there wouldn't be much point ^^).Originally Posted by IAmAngel
This is also forgetting the wider 40k universe; massive fleets of spaceships, Titan legions and the suchlike.I know that feeling wellNow, of course they can't simulate that into gameplay because it would distort or mess up the gameplay even moreso then it was. I guess right now im kind've rambling and I don't really know where this is going, but I thought I'd just say that because it was on my mind.I don't think so. Your bog-standard bolter gun is pretty much a hand-held tank cannon by today's standards (fires explosive discarding sabot rounds and the suchlike), then you've got your carapace/ power armour, dreadnoughts, sentinels, las-weapons and plasma weapons. Not a single 5.56mm NATO round or NCBS suit in sight . I can see his point on the tanks: the Land Raider and Leman Russ are pretty much directly ripped off from the tanks the British were using in WW1, albeit on a much bigger scale (and with lascannons and bolters), plus the Predator looks like something that could feasibly be built at Vickers; then again if the design works, why change it? ;DHe also said that wh40k armies are really "low tech" for being in the future, but in paticular Orks, and IG. He said that IG tanks don't look any different then they do now and look even worse then they do currently (which I see as true as well).
They wouldn't get battered the metal they make their armour out of is better and their guns are more powerful, however they are probably slower and aren't ver efficiently made. IF a 21st century nation got their hands on the plans they could probably make a tank twice as good and a lot faster.Originally Posted by deversnik
Its all about efficientcy the Imperium have very low productivity levels but 40,000 yars of progress has made a difference.
As for WMD's you could argue why America or China doesn't use them, because they would end up destroying things they don't want to destroy, they are a weapon of last resort.
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[QUOTE=Berny Mac]They wouldn't get battered the metal they make their armour out of is better and their guns are more powerful, however they are probably slower and aren't ver efficiently made. IF a 21st century nation got their hands on the plans they could probably make a tank twice as good and a lot faster.
they would get battered. all the Guard armour is equivalent to WWII level, the armour isn't better the guns are not more powerful
So your saying that in the 21st century we have weapons as powerful as a Lascannon? A Plasmacannon? A MultiMelta? And considering these weapons don't always pevetrate the armour of Landraiders Leaman Russ tanks etc then the only conclusion is that the armour is quite tough.
yes there are.
its tough but not compared to 21st century auto-reactive armour, real high technology, like the Tau now have has been lost to mankind in 40k, Imperial Guard armour is built from corrupted and incomplete STC templates WWII level technology, disregarding plasma and laser technology, some Imerial tanks are steam driven even, i'm not talking about game stats now but fluff.
Last edited by deversnik; March 10th, 2006 at 10:07.