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I'm writing a short story, and I've sort of come to an awkward juncture where there is some romantic energy. What I want to know is does that sort of thing even exist in the dark future of the 41st millenium? So far I've only seen one example of romantic entanglement in any fluff/ BL fiction, and it was absolute garbage (Inquisitor is a very, very bad book). Are Guardsmen ever in any one place/ in one piece long enough to pursue relationships? Do they ever get to go home, i.e would Catachans get to go back to Catachan-land if they survived to an age where they might be considered too old to fight any more, or if they were injured too badly to carry on fighting? Would they be able to get married, or is their commitment to the ever-grinding meat shield of the Emperor far too strong? Lastly, would Marines ever get "the feelings" if they saw some serf girl who was a bit tasty? In the case of the Black Templars or Dark Angels I could understand how they wouldn't, one being a group of religious fanatics and the others being too busy with their Dark Angel business, but what about the likes of the Space Wolves who aren't totally committed to the Imperial creed/ their own secrets?
Edit: A bit of background might be helpful here. The story is about an Assault Marine from the Dragoon Guards Chapter, seconded to the Deathwatch. The Ordo Xenos Inquisitor he's working for is by all accounts a bit of a scumbag; he's in league with a rogue trader who does a lot of business with the Tau, and has been using these links to engineer some nastiness which he then swoops in and clears up. He's not doing it openly however, and so because nobody has yet found out about his scheming he's managed to earn a fair bit of prestige for his marvellous actions against the Greater Good. The relationship is supposed to be between one of the Inquisitor's Veteran bodyguards and one of the trader's crew ^^.
Last edited by Heathen; March 12th, 2006 at 01:15.
A good question..
To answer your points..
Cadians, I believe, though my only source is one tiny reference in Inquisitor, don't really get married. They have relationships and children, but the demands of military service come first (Cadian women are also conscripted as children.) I'm guessing they wouldn't see this is a problem, they just understand that any relationship they develop is likely to be time limited.
Incidentally Cadian mothers kill their children if they feel they're weak or too much of a burden, so you have to imagine a slightly different attitude to family than exists in 21st century western society.
As for other guardsmen I guess it depends.. Catachans probably take whatever they can get in terms of joy, since they come from a world where taking the wrong step can end your life in seconds, but again, I don't know if they have a very permanent idea of marriage or love, because the wrong step can end your spouses life in seconds too. I can see some regiments like tanith ghosts being earthlike enough to have love relationships and marriages though.
Inquisitorial troops would, I think, be placed under a lot more scrutiny than most. While there's nothing to say they couldn't have a relationship, it would probably be considered suspect. An inquisitor has to know the men under him will do anything he asks, and kill anyone he asks without hesitation. Romance complicates that.
As for marines, I don't think they have any legitimate contact with women at all, and those they do are probably in military service themselves and thus can be dealt with in a purely official capacity. Given the worlds they come from, marines might actually be considered adults by the time they're taken, and thus might have had sexual relationships before, but after years of psycho conditioning, hormone altering treatment and confinement in a monastery filled with well muscled men, I'd imagine the juices don't flow that much any more.
Besides, what would they talk about? A discussion on how to disassemble and reassemble a bolter in less than a minute is not exactly every girls idea of romantic small talk.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; March 12th, 2006 at 03:12.
-i also have noticed that there is absolutely no mention of any sort of romance at all in any of the fluff at all. it's probably cause its a WARgame and all, but you think it might be mentioned...
-a hilkarious romance would be a DE/ eldar fall in love but are wrenched apart by their backgrounds, and it ends in tragedy, AKA romeo and jultiet
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Mmm. A lot of fanfiction writers try to amalgamate 21st century romantic values into the 41st millenium. Doesn't work. For one, you have an incredible number of planets with an inconceivably large population. You can't possibly expect them all to adhere to a single set of moral values and ethics. What's honourable on a feudal world is nonsense on a feral one, and what's considered abominable on an agri-world settlement is day-to-day life in an underhive.
So, it really depends on who's sleeping with whom. For Marines, I will say this once; it is completely out of the question. Marines do not have sex. Ever. They don't feel the need to, they're recruited before it becomes a major issue, they can't procreate in the human manner, and despite whatever you may have gleaned from reading about Leman Russ, they generally cut out the whole "women" part in "wine, women and song." Actually, they cut out the wine and the song as well. Marines don't have much in the way of a social life.
The Imperial Guard is different. Since they're soldiers, and get shipped from this world to this campaign almost constantly, they can't form a stable relationship. It'd be over in six months if the soldier is shipped out, and even then the life expectancy of a Guardsman is not exactly ideal. The ones who come back are in a worse mental state than Vietnam veterans, and hardly suitable for "romance" as such. But, they're still human, and humans tend to copulate on a rigorous basis, especially when they think they'll die next week. That, combined with unisex conscription, probably adds up to a lot of furtive coupling during a campaign. But that's not really romance at all, is it?
Inquisitors are, as a whole, expected to ignore that part of human existence, although that doesn't mean they don't - Eisenhorn had a relationship with the medicae who repaired his left hand - but they keep it quiet and generally secret anyway. It really depends on the Inquisitor; a puritan Monodominant who sees witches as demons and demons as Hell made flesh isn't going to get it on with a maid, but a radical Ordo Xenos one with curiously liberal views on conduct can be expected to fool around here and there. But it'd never be public. Inquisitors don't do anything public, sex and marriage much less so.
As for the one you're concerned with - inquisitional bodyguards - it depends. If he's a Stormtrooper, then generally no, since they're regularly mind-wiped. If he's a mercenary or a retired soldier, like Fischig in the aforementioned Eisenhorn trilogy, then it's entirely up to his character as to how you play it out. I stress that what you propose is entirely feasible; it shouldn't be a big thing, given the theme of 40k, but it's as natural as anything else. As long as he's human, she's human, he hasn't had training to behave as anything other than human, then treat the whole matter as if they were humans. Admittedly, repressed and rigidly governed human beings forty thousand years in the future, but still basically human.
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Thanks for the replies
The relationship's not so much a physical thing and it's not a central theme of the story, its just in there to add a bit more tension to the already strange relationship between the trader and the Inquisitor. The trader's life is spent between the Tau Empire and Imperial space, bartering information and technologies he "accquires" between them, and he also has a few xenos in his crew. The Inquisitor is painting himself as a devout Monodominant and should therefore be shooting the heretic on sight, however he's also an ambitious scumbag who uses the trader's links with the Tau to feed them false information about Imperial worlds which could be ripe for the picking; the Tau fall for it hook, line and sinker, and every time they have a go at a planet in steps Mr Inquisitor to shoo them away with extreme prejudice. The bodyguard in question is a Harakoni mercenary, the woman is a Cadian deserter, and I was thinking the fact they have a thing for each other could really come back and bite the Inquisitor in the arse either by compromising his little "arrangement" to an extent, or when it eventually comes time to dispose of the trader and his crew for the sake of the Inquisitor's good name. There is a good point in here though; a man as double-crossing and conniving as my Inquisitor isn't normally good with the trust thing, he's not going to approve of the relationship for the aforementioned reasons, and how a Harakoni grunt on his payroll is going to be able to hide any relationship or indeed even feelings from him for any legth of time is a bit of a mystery.
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Actually, if any of you guys read the "Ciaphus Cain" novels aslong as no one outside the Inquisition, and her partner, knows it is fully acceptable. Amberly and Cain prove this, considering the books are only supposed to be read by Inquisiters.
Considering some Inquisitors have radical views on all sorts of things using deamons etc I am sure that having a romantic entaglement isn't that strange.
I think Space Marines are an exception they should be treated as uber Templars taking a vow of celibacy etc but that said whether they stick to it 100% of the time is open to speculation certainly not the norm etc (though in the very old editions space marine commanders had concubines), but the Galaxy is a big place and 10,000 years is a long time anything can happen.
Your right for the most part Mantis. I just feel i should point out that there are a few chapters, specifically the Blood Abgels, who care about things other than warfare. I don't think its inconcievable for a BA to talk about art with people outside his chapter, and a conversation about art is just a bit more romantic than one about guns and death. Unless your very, very twisted.Besides, what would they talk about? A discussion on how to disassemble and reassemble a bolter in less than a minute is not exactly every girls idea of romantic small talk.One of the few romances i can imagine being worth writing about in 40K. The DE would have to be rather less bloodthirsty than most though.-a hilkarious romance would be a DE/ eldar fall in love but are wrenched apart by their backgrounds, and it ends in tragedy, AKA romeo and jultiet
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I am pretty sure that all space marines are castrated. I read it in some fluff somewhere. I can see the Imp guard doing the nasty with the native women, but I doubt they would actually have a relationship. The Eldar have relationships, the DE prolly have a thing for bondage, sooo maybe a relationship? Or maybe they just have some fun with their prisoners more than the DE women (think of Praying Mantis or Black Widow).
I doubt the space marines are castrated I would need a reference to the background to believe that (it certainly isn't mention in the CA article about space marines or the novel space marine) plus it says Fulgrim and his officers were seduced to slaneesh during a wild orgy.
It also mentons in 2nd edition background that some of the fallen dark angels tried to make new ordinary lives presumably this would include having families.
Imperial Guard I am sure would have families and relationships but as always moralities between worlds would differ.