The Monthly 40k Book Club!

[Da Mighty Camel]

Originally Posted by Grephaun

Haha, Heathen, I like your way of thinking! :w00t: And Camel, do you mean something like this?

Haha, spot on!

Maybe you should block BLs website so you can't visit it?

[FabricatorGeneralMike]

Originally Posted by Grephaun

I’ve got to agree with FabricatorGeneralMike’s complaint of false advertisement; I was certainly all kinds of confused when reading the first few pages of the book, and I just know Abnett did it on purpose! I do realise that it was my inability to read the story with an open mind that caused my confusion, knowing what I do about the Horus Heresy, but still… :shifty:

I have this nagging feeling that Abnett was actually teaching us a lesson in not taking things for granted when reading the upcoming Horus Heresy series; just because we think we know everything, it doesn’t mean we do. Clever, Abnett, very clever… :ninja:

Yes it might of been false advertising, but what false advertising it was. I have to agree the best opening for any book I have read from GW.:yes:

I would have to agree with you using your 13370 m0d324702z 5k11lz and making all the selections HR. As much as I agree with someone back, I think it was DarkReaver about trying to choose the 'more off the beat' books like lord of the night and -shutters-:wacko: Draco. I would still go with Horus Rising, it was one of the Smarter <_< books I have read from BL. And I am shure that Draco would produce nothing but :argh: from people. And yes I am a smiley face nut sometimes:yes: nothing wrong with that tho.:ninja:

oh btw, good luck with your tests, I know all about what you said there =o\

[BrokenWingZ]

Im i to late to talk about Faith & fire?.. Lol I know its taken me a long time to get back here but work & everything has been crazy.. So any ways I guess Ill post what I thought of the book...

Well I loved it.. Ive never really like the SoB but after this book Im digging them hard core...When Inoa got a hold of the tank driver.. oh man i can get that image out of my head.. for me that was what the SoB are all about.. Torris was an awesome char to.. he had the dark side that i love to see in ppl but his wit cut like a knife it was a great balance... ok well thats my rant i guess

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by Heathen

You might, I don't. I don't like cliches or stereotypes or anything that requires little thought or involvement in writing. It irritates me to no end, and the most annoying thing is that it doesn't have to be a piece of high literature for the ages to avoid using cliches, and nor does avoiding hackneyisms detract from a piece of literature just because it's set in a fictional universe. Some of the most involving computer games I've played have had plots that I couldn't fault, largely because they either avoided using hackneyed characters and situations or simply did something different with them, the Blood Omen series being one shining example. I doubt the people behind Legacy Of Kain were out to create a Shakesperian classic, but the dialogue and plot were brilliant nonetheless. Horus Rising would be an example in the world of 40K fluff; I defy anyone to find a Verity or a Vaun in that book, and it's still a cracking read.
SPOILZ

Off course you can create good litterature in any genre and setting. It is not what i am saying. As i have said, i am a fluf newbie, and has only really touched the edges of the 40k universe. I have only read the two books i mentioned, and are just sharing my impression so far. I would thouroughly like to be proved wrong. Who doesn´t enjoy great litterature.

I am just saying the other stuff can be fun too:rolleyes:

From what i read in the above posts i think i will have to pick up "Horus rising". I am totally clueless about this Horus heresy, so i guess i will be cought right in by this false advertising. Horus didn´t kill the emperor?

[Grephaun]

Originally Posted by Pedro

From what i read in the above posts i think i will have to pick up "Horus rising". I am totally clueless about this Horus heresy, so i guess i will be cought right in by this false advertising. Horus didn´t kill the emperor?

Well, he did, eventually. That’s what makes the beginning of ‘Horus Rising’ so deceptive. Anyone who has read the slightest bit of 40k fluff knows of the duel between Horus and the Emperor at the end of the Horus Heresy (you can read about the Heresy on Wikipedia here for additional information) but that’s just not what the author is writing about at all, hence the complaints of false advertisement.

Not knowing anything about the Heresy might actually put you at an advantage compared to the rest of us when reading the book, although I must admit it’s a nice fluffy feeling when you unexpectedly meet old familiar names such as Abaddon, Lucius, Erebus, and in the sequel, Kor-Phaeron (in the first chapter of ‘False Gods’ it’s stated that Kor-Phaeron was tasked with bringing the light of truth and enlightenment to Davin, which quite amused me. )

But go buy the book, Pedro, even if you don’t know too much about the Heresy; it’s a really good book, one of the best I’ve read from Black Library. Just keep in mind that it’s set in 30k, not 40k, and so is very different from other 40k books in mood and style.

~Greph.

[Heathen]

The little bits at the start of each chapter are a brilliant idea, all of them are intriguing although the first one especially so. Also read the book because it's fantastic.

[NiteRabbit]

I was slightly confused regarding the hierarchy system within the Word Bearers legion at the time.

Possible Spoiler: If Erebus' rank, First Chaplain, is roughly equal to Captain of the First Company in legions like the Luna Wolves, then he should theoretically be the highest ranking Word Bearer below the Primarch. However, Abnett also states that Kor Phaeron is of a rank even higher than Erebus so what kind of rank would that be? Sorry if it seems glaringly obvious to everyone but I can't really conceptualise it. On a side note, I hope that the final book of the series details some of the great battles of the Horus Heresy itself, perhaps even from the Chaos side of the story. Will the members of the Mournival embrace the glory of Chaos and become Daemon Princes in their own right? Probably not, but I can hope, can't I? :tongue:

[FabricatorGeneralMike]

Originally Posted by Grephaun

but that’s just not what the author is writing about at all, hence the complaints of false advertisement. .

who said anything about complaints, I thinks its one of the best things ever done in a 30K:shifty: book:yes:

Originally Posted by Grephaun

Not knowing anything about the Heresy might actually put you at an advantage compared to the rest of us when reading the book, although I must admit it’s a nice fluffy feeling when you unexpectedly meet old familiar names such as Abaddon, Lucius, Erebus, and in the sequel, Kor-Phaeron (in the first chapter of ‘False Gods’ it’s stated that Kor-Phaeron was tasked with bringing the light of truth and enlightenment to Davin, which quite amused me. ).

Grinz yes I thinks its much better going into it not knowing anything about it. A total treat for the newbies who dont know much about the background of 40k

Originally Posted by Grephaun

But go buy the book, Pedro, even if you don’t know too much about the Heresy; it’s a really good book, one of the best I’ve read from Black Library. Just keep in mind that it’s set in 30k, not 40k, and so is very different from other 40k books in mood and style.

~Greph.

Thats one of the best sales pitches ive heard for a book Greph and yes, I would recomend it to anyone and everyone. I have read it about 4 times so far. And each time I get someother little piece of obscure fluff that only someone who has been into 40k for years would get. Locations , names and so forth.

One thing tho about it. Now, we all know Horus is the warmaster now. But, the end of the book says there going to a small system called Davin. But I do believe it says that they already have been to Davin. Now, for those who know the name Davin. If they have already been there..... Fill in the blank..... kinda makes you think eh?:yes:

[Grephaun]

Originally Posted by NiteRabbit

If Erebus' rank, First Chaplain, is roughly equal to Captain of the First Company in legions like the Luna Wolves, then he should theoretically be the highest ranking Word Bearer below the Primarch. However, Abnett also states that Kor Phaeron is of a rank even higher than Erebus so what kind of rank would that be?

It’s not much of a spoiler, I think, so I removed the tags. Kor Phaeron was Captain of the First Company and Lorgar’s second in command. He started out like Luthor of the Dark Angels as the Primarch’s oldest and most trustworthy friend, his spiritual advisor, and was later enhanced in order to follow the Primarch in the Great Crusade. Slight spoiler if you don’t know Kor Phaeron:

Kor Phaeron was the first of the Word Bearers to fall to Chaos, and he was the one who corrupted Lorgar and then the entire Legion from the position of its Master of Faith. He is something like the arch-heretic, the first Space Marine who genuinely fell to Chaos, and it was his corruption that eventually got to Horus and caused the Heresy.

Also, after reading that Kor Phaeron was charged with enlightening the population of Davin, I do wonder whether the corruption hidden by the tribal Warrior Lodges was actually always there, or whether he corrupted them to get to Horus, knowing the Primarch and his Legion respected the Lodges immensely and even had adopted the practise.

Originally Posted by NiteRabbit

On a side note, I hope that the final book of the series details some of the great battles of the Horus Heresy itself, perhaps even from the Chaos side of the story. Will the members of the Mournival embrace the glory of Chaos and become Daemon Princes in their own right? Probably not, but I can hope, can't I? :tongue:

Well, according to Dan Abnett we can expect to be treated to the whole deal. ^_^ He said in an interview on the books that ”…mine’s the set-up, Graham’s is the fall, and Ben’s is the moment when the lit fuse reaches the powder keg.” Sounds good to me! :w00t:

As for whether the Mournival will fall to Chaos, we all know Abaddon’s story. However, I’ve been trying to figure out for a long time why Loken’s name sounds so familiar to me. I haven’t been able to find any fluff supporting this crazy idea of mine, but I seem to recall from out of nowhere that Loken was somehow involved with the Eisenstein… Oh, I hope it’s true! But I can’t find any fluff to support it. :hmm:

Originally Posted by FabricatorGeneralMike

One thing tho about it. Now, we all know Horus is the warmaster now. But, the end of the book says there going to a small system called Davin. But I do believe it says that they already have been to Davin. Now, for those who know the name Davin. If they have already been there..... Fill in the blank..... kinda makes you think eh?:yes:

Well, I don’t think anything happened the first time they went to Davin. The fluff states that Horus was corrupted by a Chaos weapon on Davin and treated by the mystics of the Warrior Lodges there, and when he emerged from their care it was as a changed man… and seeing as Horus has not been wounded, I think we have yet to see it happening, especially considering what I said in my spoiler above, not to mention what was stolen from the Interex, and by whom. :shifty:

~Grephaun.

[Heathen]

Originally Posted by Grephaun

Also, after reading that Kor Phaeron was charged with enlightening the population of Davin, I do wonder whether the corruption hidden by the tribal Warrior Lodges was actually always there, or whether he corrupted them to get to Horus, knowing the Primarch and his Legion respected the Lodges immensely and even had adopted the practise.

Pretty big spoiler that will all but ruin Horus Rising and possibly the rest of the books for you. BE WARNED, SCUM:

I recall reading somewhere, I think Index Astartes, about what a feat it was that an injury could lay a Primarch low, especially considering the Primarch was Horus and thus the biggest, bestest Primarch of them all. The passage seemed to be stating that it must have been something altogether very nasty indeed to necessitate medical care for a Primarch, and to that end I reckon you're onto something. I didn't even think anything about wossisname stealing that weapon from the museum and setting it on fire, I just thought it was the inimitably sinister and therefore ultimately cool Word Bearers doing something inimitably sinister and therefore ultimately cool. Now I'm thinking, that's the weapon that hit Horus, it was planted on Davin by Kor Phaeron, he's gone ahead and corrupted the Warrior Lodges in between Horus' first visit and his fateful return, the museum was burned so that the Interex would go for the Luna Wolves and thus affect Horus' faith in mankind and the Emperor which they could later exploit after they'd hit him with the tainted weapon and had him "cared for" by the tainted warrior lodges on Davin. And bish bash bosh, there you have it. The Heresey explained. If this all turns out to be true, I'm going to go ahead and make a Word Bearers army in celebration of their awesomeness.

If you read that without reading the book, don't say you weren't warned