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I've always liked eldar history (preferring to the current imperium history) and i've recently been discussing it with my necron playing friend. A couple of small disagreements have come up however, mostly about pride in our respective armies , and i'd like some help.
The main topic was how chaos came into being. I know the old clean warp was used by the old ones and during the necron wars it became polluted. I always thought the c'tan created the chaos gods who filled it with daemons to cut off the old ones power. However my friend raised an interesting point saying that the eldar abused their psychic abilities so much to kill the necrons that the warp slowly began becoming tainted. What exactly did happen?
Also my friend claimed that the necrons were beating the eldar and only went to sleep to let the galaxy re-grow so they could eat it all over again. I disagree however saying that the eldar snapped the necrons (Beginning of Nightbringer supported my side).
Also why didn't the old ones know about the c'tan and prepare for them? they were basically all powerful how could the necrontyr know about something like the c'tan and keep it hidden?
What happened to the 3rd race the old ones created? were they possibly the lizardmen?
These are just a couple of the fluff questions that nag at me from time to time and I hate not being a fluff-know-it-all compared to my friends.:sleep:
The warp was once calm and peaceful, as life slowly grew in influence of the warp was gradual, all was well.
However when the C'tan started going around murdering star systems and basically screwing with the Old Ones they needed a way to stop them. The Old Ones realised the C'tan were vulnerable to warp energy and (over aeons, the war in the heaven is a conflict the likes of which have never been seen) the eldar evolved, since they were engineered by the old oners to be highly psychic the new influence on the warp of thousands of individual minds , pouring uncontrolled emotion int othe warp created an unbalance.
The emotions started to gather together, gaining power as the war in the heaven raged on and the death toll rose. This is the beginnings of the chaos gods.
Th old ones were fighting a losing battle, dispite their best effort to stop the necrons they merely slowed their advance, but finally the Old Ones power was broken.
The galaxy was left in blasted ruin, trillions dead, almost all life gone. Then the enslaver plague came, with all the new psykers in the galaxy these warp creatures were attracted to the psykers, they would warp the psykers body and create a portal to the warp.
The enslavers created a psychic apocalypse with what little life was left, the C'tan realised soon all their food would be gone, so they decided to sleep and wait for life to restart.
The necrontyr kept the C'tan hidden because before they discovered the c'tan they waged war one the Old ones, they were completely beaten and were left to rot at the edge of the galaxy. The Old ones paid no attention to them until suddenly they had a weapon powerful enough to stop the Old Ones.
The Old Ones themselves weren't psykers so they could of not foreseen this. The necrons superior technology (as they focused purely on science, the Old Ones focused on understanding on how the universe worked).
The Old Ones created many races, the notable ones being the eldar, Orks (early decendants of), the Jokeroo (sP?)- they mimic technology- and humanity. Humainty was gonig to be the ultimate race under the Old Ones guidance (stronger than the eldar, more intelligent than the orks).
Unfortunately the war in the heaven messed with the plan big time.
Hope this helps (even though it does appear the necrons were invincible, they weren't, but not far off).
Last edited by The_Outsider; April 6th, 2006 at 23:17.
Never heard any of that before.
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Tis in codex necrons.
Chaos was not created by the Câ€™Tan, thatâ€™s for sure. The Câ€™tan have no warp powers whatsoever and cannot affect the warp; in fact, the warp is lethal to them, which is why the Old Ones created new psychic races to battle against them.
To elaborate a little on the subject of the War in Heaven, The_Outsider is correct in stating that it was likely the Old Ones messing about with the warp that gave rise to the Chaos Gods; creating psychic races such as the Eldar, the Orks, and indeed Humanity, created an unbalance in the warp that allowed the energy of raw emotions to run together and form the Chaos Gods. The Eldar deliberately created their own Warp Gods, of which only Khaine and the Laughing God remain in the 41st millennium, but they also unknowingly provided energy for the birth of the actual Chaos Gods, as did humanity.
As for your other questions, I believe they have already been answered above.
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hmm, very interesting topic.
Can you please give more information about the old ones fighting the necrontyre.
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Here's the details of the war for people. Just so you know the necrontyr were the actual race, the necrons are the toasters that the c'tan turned them into.
The necrontyr were jealous of the old ones power (one of my friends claims I never bothered to dispute) and declared war on them. The necrontyr were masters of technology and began crushing the old ones. However the old ones were masters of the warp and could evade the necrontyr with ease.
Over time the old ones used the warp to attack the necrontyr with surprises and ambushes and slowly began winning the war. The necrontyr grew desperate and called upon the c'tan to aid them. The c'tan agreed but true to their evil untrustworthy nature they turned the necrontyr into the more modern toasters we all know and love today.
With the ctan on their side the necrontyr were able to defend themselves from the old ones attacks. The old ones decided to end the war and thus created the eldar, the orks and one other race I can't remember (the slann???). The Slann didnt help and the orks fought each other so that left the eldar fighting the necrons. The old ones started dying out right about now (I think the c'tan started hunting em down).
This is where our little debate comes in. Did the old ones die because the c'tan destroyewd the warp with daemons? or did the old ones die for a different reason and left the eldar, a newly born race, fighting alone against the necrons and c'tan. Maybe the eldar spammed their psychic powers so much that he warp became polluted?
I couldn't help showing off to people. Fluff-master are like that sometimes, and now that I own the fantasy rule-book I can show off twice as much.:w00t:
The C'tan had no affect on the warp whatsoever. The Old Ones died becauxse the C'tan ate most of them and murdered a good 80% of them, those that survived simply faced extinction.
The Old Ones where the necrontyr's primary target, the C'tan helped just because they could eat/destroy loads of other races.
When the Old Onescreated the newer races (eldar, orks and humans), they started spamming the warp, it was because the warp going from being influenced by a handful of races tops to suddenly 3 whole races who are also fighting a war, thats when the damage was done.
Their raw emotions gathered and formed all the chaos gods bar slaanesh (not quite at this point, their emotions formed the foundations for the gods if you will).
The eldar created slaanesh in the exactly same way, their psychic presence in the warp started to gather and gain sentience (fed by their desire for pleasure in this case) which eventually gave birth to slaanesh.
The C'tan were in the process of sealing the warp off from the material universe, this is known as the great plan. The pylons on cadia are necrons 'anti-warp' pylons (in one account it is suggested by imperial techno magi that they were holding back a warpstorm during the EoT campaign).
They would of succeded sealing the warp of if it wasn't for the enslaver plague, so the C'tan went into hibernation realising time is on their side, they could continue the great plan at a later date and rule the galaxy once more.
Last edited by The_Outsider; April 7th, 2006 at 13:32.
Yeah, she who thirsts is an eldar reference to slaanesh. Since slaanesh wants the eldar's souls for lunch (thets why they have spirit stones) they have referred to him/her/it as 'she who htirsts'.