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I tried search but came up relatively empty. I'm trying to work out the final stages of fluff for my chapter and am trying to work out a reasonable size for the fleet for a fleet-based chapter with mobile space station (somewhat Dark-Angels-like).
From what I've read, a Strike Cruiser can hold up to a Battle-Company but they are rarely up to full complement when sent out on missions. Also, sometimes Frigates are used to deliver small detachments to hotspots, which is what I imagine is the delivery mechanism for most of the 40k battles we fight.
I haven't seen much on whether the smaller ships can field Thunderhawks, which seems like a pre-req for deep striking assault squads and delivery and retrieval of armor.
Anyways, exact numbers are probably not available on most aspects, but I do want to work around the realm of the reasonable.
If you have access to the 3rd edition SM codex there is some information on ships and their complements. Also you could try the fluff from BFG, you can download it for free at the specialist games website.
I would say 1 or 2 battle barges, 7 or 8 strike cruisers, and 10 escort squadrons.
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Those numbers are good for a strong chapter, amongst the first three foundings, but not for mid-size or new chapters. I believe that most chapter with one barge have about four-six cruisers while a fortress monestary would haveup to eight but probably no barge.Originally Posted by Helbrecht
As long as the number of ships isnt ridiculously high given the chpaters strength then it matters not...
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I would definately recommend downloading and reading the free online material for BFG from the specialist games website. Specifically, the Imperial Vessels and Cleanse the Stars supplements, both of which I believe have diagrams and background fluff for battle barges and strike cruisers.
Anything above a Strike Cruiser fields Thunderhawks, of which there are three variants: the Thunderhawk Gunship, Bomber and Dropship. The gunship and bomber are really just different weapons fits for the same ship and the dropship is a larger, more armoured version designed to carry the really massive equipment - like when you need to transport a fortress. Thunderhawks carry up to thirty Marines and an indeterminate number of Dreadnoughts and tanks. They're the vehicles Space Marines use for transport - there aren't any "troop transport" flyers as such, since the Thunderhawk fills the role of bomber, fighter and transport all in one durable package.
It depends on how strong your chapter is; as darkreever said, a second or third Founding chapter could easily possess multiple Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers, but the younger ones have to make do with much less. If it's a space-faring Chapter, then yes, I would expect them to have two or three Barges and at least eight Strike Cruisers.
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Thanks for the guidance!
What I've found in the fluff/crunch:
Battle Barges can hold up to 3 Companies.
It looks like Strike Cruisers do indeed have up to one Battle Company on board and can deploy within 20 minutes of reaching orbit.
Now, my assessments. Please note, this is an exercise. One can use fluff to argue for/against the validity of any of my assessments. But I think my arguements hold sufficient validity to be true of SOME chapters.
For most 40k battles, it would seem that the 1000-2000 point detachments would deploy from Frigates. Even at half-strength, a stike cruiser would field more than that ... and it's hard for me to believe that in some random 1500 point battle there would still be a few dozen marines sitting in orbit not assisting. More on this later...
The smaller vessels (at least in BFG) do not get T-Hawks. But I'm assuming this relates to those bombers ze_poodle mentioned, rather than dedicated troop transports.
I guess BFG rules can be considered "for space battle" in that a frigate doesn't have T-hawks that are set up for ship-to-ship operations. This might be analogous to how a modern frigate or amphibious assault carrier can launch a helicopter or landing craft but doesn't have fighters or bombers like a fleet carrier would.
If a frigate carried, say 1500 points of marines including support, it would be reasonable to assume it had up to 3-4 T-hawks to carry them. Maybe 2 regular Gunships and 1-2 of the T-hawk Transporters (seen on the forgeworld site) to carry the armor assets. I've seen the Epic 40k Thunderhawk Dropship and that seemed pretty large for a Frigate to carry, but maybe it could squeeze one in...
I'd have to agree with Helbrecht that 1-2 Barges and 7-8 Cruisers plus escorts seems reasonable, especially since these ships are rarely at full-capacity. For my chapter, I'd reckon that the ships would operate at roughly 50% complement to enable deployment flexibility. There would be 5-7 companies spread amongst the Barges/Cruisers and the rest on Frigates.
In support of this, the Ultramarines are listed as having 5 BBs but a couple of them are dedicated to system-defense with no real marine complement at all... Similarly, during a system attack, one would expect that the cruisers used to break a blockade would be manned only for Ship-to-Ship and the landing parties would be in the rear.
I'm probably talking mostly to myself at this point, but the rambling is helping me work things out :rolleyes:
If a chapter was short on fleet assets, they would probably depend even more heavily on Frigates, say using 3 Frigates to replace a Strike Cruiser.
The operational independance of Frigates is most-likely much shorter than Strike Cruisers, but most operations don't require an overly-long trip. I'm imagining a lone Strike Cruiser and small flotilla out on the fringe somewhere when a request comes in that requires 3 squads of marines. They'd transfer over to a Frigate and head out, rather than having the whole task force head to the location. Fluffwise, that would account for the usual lack of resources encountered on a standard, one-shot, 1500 point battle
As for Battle Barges, they deploy forces for Epic games...
Sorry this is such a ramble, I don't have the time at work to reorganize it
Sounds like you did some research and know what your talking about. Sounds accurate/beleivable from what I know.
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