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Ok i'm trying to write a story on the savlar chem-dogs (not actually collecting them) and i've hit a few speed bumps.
1. How long ago was the last war for armageddon? would it be feasible to have a 30 year old officer to have participated? or maybe his father?
2. Im trying to make an age for a very old and senile officer who has served with the guard all his life. What would be a good age for him? 80 ? 100? 120? 150?
3. Im making a female officer called Black Widow who escaped the last chancers by stabbing the rest of her squad as they were asleep. My friends disputing this saying the imperium doesnt allow females into the guard. He even pointed to some fluff about a female officer who joined the tau because she was rejected from the tau. Is this real? would a company like the savlar just ignore this rule?
4. I heard that the Savlar Chem-dogs ride to war on giant mutant bugs. I've latched onto this idea and made them almost like an ant/termite colony. The rough riders ride them to war and there is a special flying platoon that deepstrikes by flying on the winged drones of the colony. It is to difficult to fight from their backs however so they dismount.
5. I have invented the Savlar Chem-dogs 2nd regiment also known as the second chancers because of the vast number of criminals that join. I presume the original savlar had only 1 regiment so I can get away with making my own second regiment without destroying any fluff?
6. What is an IG army called. I know that things like the cadian 8th are regiments but what is just cadian? ?-regiment-platoon-squad
7. I understand chapter approved has old rules for the savlar, do they have a large amount of fluff as well? enough worth buying it for?
8. Who thinks I should right the story from the point of view of an officer and who thinks from view of a normal guardsmen?
9.when do children come of age into adults on armageddon? can I just make up my own number?
I might edit a few questions in as I think of them if this thread doesnt get to old.
edit: life extending drugs
Last edited by LordLink; May 2nd, 2006 at 22:49.
dont recall of the top of my head but since Yarick was around then and now, officers should still be around, just perhaps not 30Originally Posted by LordLinkUnlikely, there is no distinction in rank between SO and HSO, generally we are talking about the rank of major, but title "Senior" is deceptive, it is a company commander, not a staff officer (general/brigadier/file dmarshall) in the grander scheme of things, the tabletop HSO is a peon. life enhancing (I assume you mean extending?) is really the remit of the inquistion, rogue traders and the super rich. A HSO is not gonna get access to them by dint of his rank, if he came from an incredibly righ family then maybe, but then what is he doing piddling around in the lower echelons of the IG?2. Im trying to make an age for a very old and senile officer who has served with the guard all his life. As an HSO he has access to a lot of life enhanceing drugs.IG has females, there are a number of WD articles feratruing female IG, at least one of these was a female member of the chem dogs. My concern with this is more why would a member of the last chancers, who escaped by killing the rest of her squad, and therefore technically AWOL/a murderer and already under sentence of death, be made an officer? more likely they would be shot3. Im making a female officer called Black Widow who escaped the last chancers by stabbing the rest of her squad as they were asleep. My friends disputing this saying the imperium doesnt allow females into the guard. He even pointed to some fluff about a female officer who joined the tau because she was rejected from the tau. Is this real? would a company like the savlar just ignore this rule?Technically this is Hobilar (SP?) - horse mounted infantry that dismout to fight. This is way beyond existing fluff of chem dogs, who are more portrayed as deranged chem adicted loons wading through toxic waste on a dead world4. I heard that the Savlar Chem-dogs ride to war on giant mutant bugs. I've latched onto this idea and made them almost like an ant/termite colony. The rough riders ride them to war and there is a special flying platoon that deepstrikes by flying on the winged drones of the colony. It is to difficult to fight from their backs however so they dismount.Dont recvall but doesnt sound right5. I have invented the Savlar Chem-dogs 2nd regiment also known as the second chancers because of the vast number of criminals that join. I presume the original savlar had only 1 regiment so I can get away with making my own second regiment without destroying any fluff?IG form into regiments, hence Cadian 8th, etc etc, Regiments are gouped into Corps, corps are grouped into armies, this is done on the basis of need and avaialbity, accordingly most corps contain regiments from different planets, there is no official Cadian I corps for example, equially armies are numbered, to use IA3 as an example, the orbat was as follows:6. What is an IG army called. I know that things like the cadian 8th are regiments but what is just cadian? ?-regiment-platoon-squad
4623rd Army (numbers may not be correct)
comprises Xth corps and XI corps
X corps comprised:
3rd Tallarn heavy armoured regiment,
12 Tallarn Armoured regiment
18 Tallarn Regiment
331 Tallarn regiment
(I think another tallarn regiment may have been in there)
note that the nature of the campaign, taking place in a desert, meant men of Tallarn were specifically asked for, note that the corps is
X corps, not XX talarn Corps
XI corps comprised:
A Combat engineer regiment whose name escaped me but was broken uop and seconded to other regiments
144th (Mechanised) Cadian
1st Krieg Heavy armoured regiment (never arrived in theatre)
A regiment whose planet escapes me but were refered to as rangers, although when they arrived in theatre they were found to be at reinforced company strength rather than regiment, the regiment was immediatley disbanded and used to replace casualties in existing regimentsfrom memory, about a page or 2, but it is in WD, nto sure I have seen it in the current CA books, there is some stuff in the old one with the SW ven dread on the front7. I understand chapter approved has old rules for the savlar, do they have a large amount of fluff as well? enough worth buying it for?not really, IG dont work that way, particualry penal regiments8. Who thinks I should right the story from the point of view of an officer and who thinks from view of a normal guardsmen?
Everything you have been told is a lie!
Well, according to various 40k timelines the Third War for Armageddon happened in 999.M41, and itâ€™s a matter of some debate how long ago that actually was since we donâ€™t know how much further time has progressed in the 40k universe since. Games Workshop seems to be having a timeline problem, considering that if the timeline is expanded beyond 999.M41 we will in effect be playing Warhammer 41,000.Originally Posted by LordLink
However, I know there are Black Library books which take place in the future of 40k (the Commissar Cain series), so I suppose your story could too. Since authors of Black Library books seem to set their storylines during whatever time they want, be it .M35 or .M41, you can just choose to have your story take place at a time that makes it feasible to have your characters participate in whatever battles, past and present, that you want. Itâ€™s all up to you.Ok? This isnâ€™t a question, though, so Iâ€™m not sure what you want me to say about it other than yes, itâ€™s possible.Originally Posted by LordLinkThe Imperial Guard does allow females to join, just read the Gauntâ€™s Ghosts series or the Commissar Cain series. Usually there are separate regiments for male and female soldiers, although some regiments are also mixed. However, itâ€™s not impossible that individual females might have been prevented from joining; perhaps the one your friend mentioned comes from a planet that doesnâ€™t traditionally raise female regiments (not that Iâ€™ve ever come across that piece of fluff myself, so I canâ€™t say for sure.) Itâ€™s not a general rule, though, so itâ€™s all up to you.Originally Posted by LordLink
As for having a female character escape the Last Chancers, however, that sounds less feasible. Have you read the Last Chancers novels? No one escapes. Ever. And no one leaves unless theyâ€™ve been pardoned by Colonel Schaeffer himself, which is not an easy thing to achieve. If a Last Chancer were to kill all her squad mates and attempt an escape, sheâ€™d be caught and shot. In the highly unlikely case that she actually manages to escape, she would certainly not go and join another Guard regiment, but hide away somewhere no one will ever find her. If she is pardoned, she would either leave the Guard or set up with a regular regiment. I suppose it might be possible that she was once a Last Chancer that was then pardoned but later strayed from the path of righteousness again and rejoined another Penal Legion, although such individuals would rather likely simply be executed.I have never heard of this being the case myself; the Chem Dogs are ex-prisoners, after all, and I doubt theyâ€™d be given the means to make a fast escape even on the battlefield. Also, the Chem Dogs were raised specifically for the War for Armageddon which, being a jungle planet, does not allow for proper cavalry deployment. Another specialty of the Chem Dogs is fighting in Hive Cities and other close-quarter combat scenarios which doesnâ€™t allow for giant bugs either. It sounds a bit unlikely to me, Iâ€™m afraid. :hmm:Originally Posted by LordLinkThe Chem Dogs being a Penal Legion, they have only criminals that join. Still, feel free to make up your own companies; perhaps the second company is for criminals of a special kind? Ex-Guard, maybe? Would make them a lot tougher and a lot more dangerous too, to the enemy and their allies alike.Originally Posted by LordLinkThere are pros and cons for both options, so in the end it depends on what you want your plot to focus on. However, considering that the Chem Dogs are criminals and addicts, it might not be easy to write from their point of view and make the character sympathetic and easy for the reader to relate to. This might be the point of the story, though, and so itâ€™s all up to you again.Originally Posted by LordLink
"Girls are nice and cuddly on the outside, and freaky on the inside." ~ Lost Nemesis.
Of course it's feasible. The War happened in 998.M41, so just say that your officer was recruited at an early age and rose through the ranks on campaign (about the only way a chem dog would earn much respect, I suppose).Originally Posted by LordLinkPossible, although to go with the chem dog feel, he probably filched them from somewhere.Originally Posted by LordLinkThere are females in the guard, whatever the regiment. ALL the population of Cadia are inducted into the Guard, for example.Originally Posted by LordLinkI was under the impression that they had mutated steeds that inhabited the areas they faught in. A pity, because Chem Dog scramblers/quadbikes would look such cool models (I've been thinking about a Chem Dog army myself).Originally Posted by LordLinkThe links that I can dig up about them seem to indicate there could be more than one regiment. It would make sense; as Savlar is a penal world, it's not likely they'll ever run short of bodies to put into uniforms.Originally Posted by LordLinkThey don't, generally; people like Creed are the exception. Generally the higher up you go, the more detached from the men they get. But if you're thinking of doing a Chem Dogs officer, they wouldn't be too different from the men I would imagine.Originally Posted by LordLink
Hard for the Savlar Chem Dogs really, unless he stole the drugs. Savlar are convicts, even the best of them are still scum (in fact, they're worse, because they're the scum who have managed to crawl to the top of the heap.) I doubt the Imperium is willing to give them access to expensive things like combat drugs.Originally Posted by LordLinkIf that's the case, then your friend is suggesting that Cadian men can reproduce with each other. 100% of the population is conscripted into the guard, they still have babies (nope, despite their slightly identical appearance they're not cloned, there was a reference to Cadian maternal practices in Inquisitor) so they must, by neccesity, have female guard regiments.Originally Posted by Lordlink
The Imperial Guard seems pretty egalitarian to me. If you're prepared to stand in a big line pointing a torch at things and getting slaughtered by the millions, well then you're as much a soldier as anyone else. Humans are a renewable resource, after all.
Cadians really remind me of the film version of starship troopers sometimes..If you want to go ahead with this, do so, by all means. In the official fluff though, I think Savlar ride crappy, mutated horses, not bugs.Originally Posted by LordlinkIf you mean regiment in the Cadian 1st, Cadian 8th sense, then the Savlar likely have tens if not hundreds of them.Originally Posted by Lordlink
Strangely, most penal legions refer to themselves as legions, but the Savlar have 'regiments.' Maybe it's because it's less of a prison and more of a gulag where you just stick the prisoners together and let them build their own society provided they keep churning out the minerals you want. Why bother fencing them in, they're on a deathworld, it's not like they're going to run away.Probably not if you're on a budget. The story is great, but it is short. Unless you're interested in the other stuff in there, I'd give it a miss and find a friend with a copy.Originally Posted by LordlinkOfficers are generally smarter and more likely to know what's going on. I'd say officer.Originally Posted by Lordlink
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; May 2nd, 2006 at 21:16.
thanks for the feedback so far. Please bear in mind that all these things can change, if i've made a mistake somewhere like access to the drugs then I can edit it out. I'm only designing characters at the moment.
-edited question 2.
If its not to fluff shattering I think I like the idea of giant bugs I might leave that in.
I think i'll make it so thet my 30 yo officers father fought in the war while he was just to young to join the guard. Then his father dies 3 days before his coming of age birthday or something. Hey thats another question when do people "come of age" on armageddon? 18? 21?
ok Black Widow can escape from a more minor penal colony then since the last chancers seem so great. Just give me a name and shes there. Also shes in the IG because the savlar dont ask questions about soemones background so they arent curious as to whether shes a convicted murderer or not.
He wouldn't be born on Armageddon. Savlar are ALL convicts, so unless his mum and dad got all friendly in a cell one night, he wouldn't serve in the same regiment. If he was born into Savlar "society" I doubt very much that they have a coming of age ceremony, just that you survive long enough. If they're not originally from Savlar, then you can make it whatever age you want.Originally Posted by LordLink
That said, whole populations have been known to be shipped to a penal colony because of some perceived "failure" or other (the fluff for Nazdreg has a beautiful example). So they could've been sent there as a family.She wouldn't be able to get into the Chem Dogs (nor want to) unless she was still under Imperial control; if the Chem Dogs had escaped they wouldn't be where they are.Originally Posted by LordLink
In the IG codex it says that the Savlar were created on armageddon to help in the war. Arent there any civilians in the chem-dogs? are there anyone except prisoners? maybe some nut wanted to join voluntarily.
It also says that the savlar only fight for the right to loot their enemies. I took this to mean that they did have some control over whether or not they joined a war rather than just being a prison.
Im not doubting you or anything but can I see some other evidence to indicate Savlar are just a penal regiment?
They wouldn't allow civilians to be on a penal world.Originally Posted by LordLinkI was under the impression that they fought so that they didn't have to go back to work on Savlar's moons, but I could be wrong.Originally Posted by LordLinkhttp://www.armageddon3.com/English/C...chem_dogs.htmlOriginally Posted by LordLink
And it talks about far more than just one regiment of Chem Dogs (the XIVth, no less).