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Hey everyone this is my first post on this forum... I've been playing this game for 14 years and seen everything that GW could throw at us. This last release of the SM codex allowed me to create the army of my dreams... The Pre-Heresy World Eaters. I started out with the concept of doing the pre-heresy style idea until I decided I was going to enter them into the Baltimore GT. Since then I have made up a story line for a single company that survived the massacre on Istvaan III. I have introduced a new character, MoS Gomora, he is my own creation and he leads my army in the Grand Tournament list. Eventually I am going to build the entire Legion, and I already have all of the Tactical Marines for the legion but first things first. lol.
Current 1500 pt list =
Blessed Be the Warriors
No Mercy No Respite
Aspire To Glory
Have Faith in Suspision
MoS Gomora w/ BP, Artificer Armor, Termy Honours, Melta Bombs, Frag Grenades, Jump Pack
3x 7 Man Assault Squads w/ Vet. Srg.(pwr wep), Plasma Pistolx1, Furious Assault
2x 5 man scout squads
1x 8 man Assault Squad w/ Vet. Srg.(pwr wep), Plasma Pistolx1, Furious Assault,Melta Bombs
2x Vindicator w/ Smoke
1x Whirlwind w/ Castellan Missiles
The background history kind of explains my choice of troops, the fast attack squad is modeled with the non-blood angel marked Death Company w/ Archive Turbo-fan jump packs and World Eaters Left shoulder pad. the rest are current marines, except for the MoS which is a converted Tigurius w/ a crosius staff and jump pack, and all librarium symbols removed. (will post pictures of the Army later.) Let me know what you think.
Out of misery and hatred, the World Eaters Chapter was born. Angron, bio-engineered Primarch of the World Eaters was scattered to a world where slavery was the basis of life during the warp storms. When the Emperor finally found him, Angron had become of the leader of a legion of slaves planning to overthrow their masters and take control of the planet. The Emperor in all his weakness feared the destruction of Angron and in the hours preceeding the attemped revolution, the Emperor swept our beloved Primarch from the planetâ€™s surface, guaranteeing the failure of the revolt. Angron, bearing the sorrow of the loss of his followers and the hatred of the Emperor for his deceit, soon took his rightful position as the Primarch of the World Eaters.
During the Heresy, Angronâ€™s mind and hatred for the Emperor was evilly twisted by Horus and our beloved Primach soon became demonic in nature. Some of the legion still bore an undying loyalty to humanity, but they also bore the eternal hatred of the Emperor and their distrust of psychers. This portion of the World Eaters Legion was sent planet-side during the Istvaan III attack. Intended as a trap by Horus, the loyalist Space Marines were virus bombed into almost extinction. Luckily, Master of Sanctity Gomora led his personal company of marines into a recently captured bunker seven miles below the surface upon intercepting the encoded message by the loyalist marine on the battle barge orbiting the planet. When Angron led his troops on the surface to wipe out all survivors, Gomora and his company held the bunker without retreat. Fending off hordes of traitorous marines and not being noticed, the attack finally ended and Gomoraâ€™s company still lived. Having lived through this horrific act, the company painted their shoulder armor borders red to signify that they alone have lived through Istvaan III, and it was also their sacred vow to hunt down all of their traitorous brethren and released them from their cursed immortality.
In hiding since the Istvaan III incident, these few marines have honed their close combat skills to a form of art that no other marine can match. Gomoraâ€™s personal company was entirely made of assault marines, the finest of the legionâ€™s warriors, and the only survivors of the massacre on Istvaan III. Gomora chose these marines not only for their sheer power in close quarters combat, but also for their unparalleled clarity of mind and their unflinching loyalty to humanity. The Loyal World Eaters have since fought their traitorous brethren in secret, but since the 13th Black Crusade, they have had to come into the open and fight harder then ever. Still deemed heretics by the Inquisition, they have had to fight without the aid of either the Space Marine Chapters or the Inquisition. To this day they are fighting against both sides. Against one for survival, and the other to help release their brethren from their self induced hell.
A very interesting take on the Heresy Mythology, but, in all honesty this has been suggested on this fourm before. From a fluff wise view on it, any remaining members of the traitor legions would be put to death, as it was a combination of flaws that lead them to rebel. The most obvious was Horus himself, secret 'cults' or 'warrior lodges' with the chapters. But the most damaging of all was the flaw inthe accelerated gene-seeding process that was used to keep the legions up to strength. In the Horus rising book The Luna wolves have atleast 25 companys, and I do belive that each company was a 1000 marines, so that would put it at aleast 25,000 marines. Now lets take that as a average for a legion, take into account battle losses, scout companys vetrens and so forth, maybe each legion was 30,000 troops. Now to keep these legions up to strength, there was what was known as a 'accelerated zygote process' basically they could take older men and implant them with the primarchs genetic dna and turn them into marines. Now it has been suggested it was the primarchs themseves who where corrupted and heard the whispers of the chaos gods while they where scattered in the warp before they landed on whatever planets they did. Sence the origional marines where made from the primarchs genetic make up, it wouldn't be a far leap to think that these marines also where corrupted before they even knew about it. It has been said before that each primirch's faith was tested and over half of them failed and rebelled. So in all honesty I can't see that a small percentage would be left alive and kicking, a traitor is a traitor and would be put to death to inshure that the rot never spread again. Now its been said that the traitor geneseed wasnt distroyed but put under a time locked statis field. And maybe thats what was used during the 'cursed founding'. This also ties into the Eisenstein story where 70 marines from the rebel legions took control of this ship and escaped Horus's war fleet and warned the Emperor of his trechery, andwhat was there probel reward for this, a quick death.
So in short I can't it happening, you might try to make a new chapter whos colour scheme and traits are close to the World-Eaters. Maybe also use the physco-surgury thing also to turn them into physcotic manics like the World Eaters where.
This is a old piece of fluff concerning the geneseed process and the riskes involved , but it might help you out with your chapter.
Although the chapters are careful to select only the most suitable candidates, not all neophytes survive to become initates. This is due in part to the degeneration of knowledge amongst the individual chapters that makes screening procedures less effective that they once were. Nor are operational methods entirely satisfactory in some cases. In many chapters inplant surgery is heavily ritualised, and is often accompanied by scarring, incantation, peroids of prayer,fasting, and all sorts of mystical practices which comromise medical effciency. For example, the Space Wolves, phase 17 implant is accompanied by the withdrawal of the initates canine theeth and their replacement with longer canines, The chapter regards the additional surgery as part of the initation ceremony.
If an implant fails to develop properly, it is likely that a marines metabolism will become badly out of synchrionisation. He may fall into a catatonic state or suffer bouts of hyperactivity. In either event, he will probley die.
Those unfortunates that do not die almost invariably suffer mental damage, degenerating into homicidal maniacs or gibbering idiots. however when a chapter is at full strength these misfits may be put out of there misery. If the chapter is short of marines ther are often allowed to live, and may be placed within their own sepecial units. Those who display uncontrollably psychotic tendencies can be recruted into siucide assault squades or as suicide bombers.
Some chapters delibertly foster such creaters, even going so far as to implant deformed zygotes into some initiates. This is very dangerious, and the practice is discouraged by Imperial edict. But old traditions die Hard.
One other thing is the manufacturing and arming of the marines, the pure lygistics of them doing it all in secret is probley not possible, altho maybe there is someone higher up secretly helping them out ,diverting supplies and such, The Adeptus Terra is a huge organization and no one knows forshure how big it really it. It would be plausable that there 'secret benifactor' might be helping them throught the ages, maybe passing the responciblity from father to son or so forth.
Hope I helped you some, and Ilook foward to what you come up with and what way you wish to go with this:ninja:
Last edited by FabricatorGeneralMike; May 11th, 2006 at 00:37.
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Thanks for the input... Yes it is true that the geneseed of the newer marines created to fill the ranks were made out of the primarch's geneseed, and it was believed that the Primarchs seed was corrupted prior to the re-uniting of the primarch with his legion, but the marines that make up this army were of the originial stock. The first marines of the chapter that have lived through it all... the assault marines IMO would have had the strongest will to be able to see so much death and not crack under the pressure, also if you look at the newest Chaos Codex if you choose a World Eaters army, you are not allowed to have any Chaos Raptors, which makes you wonder what happened to all of the jump packs???
Yes it is true that they would need supplies, but what is stopping them from acquiring gear from their enemies. My models are adorned with both standard space marine and Chaos Space marine body armor to represent that they would have scavenged the armor that was salvageable from their foes and use it as replacements. Also since they were declared Excommunicatus they would have been hunted down, the Imperium being stretched as thin as it is would not have been able to send a massive force at them. They would have simply fought the smaller forces and scavenged the armor and supplies from their enemies. Also they would have struck supply lines to acquire resources neccesary. In the fluff there are many areas where something like this could happen.
It is approximated that around 4,000 supply caravans are lost per year due to hyjacking, warp storms, or other malfunctions. So who is to say that these few, very mobile marines couldn't have sustained themselves through these means.
Also since these men have tried to hide since the Istvaan III incident they have tried to keep their interactions with others to a minimum, they have not attempted to increase their numbers because they know of their genetic damnation. But the 13th Black Crusade has caused these marines to come into the open and strike against their brethren. The downside to doing this is that they are being hunted by everyone... they are completely alone in the universe and they don't care. I wanted to give them the "We Stand Alone" Disadvantage to represent this but due to the rules I could only give them 2 disadvantages.
These marines have not requested for help or attempted to ask for forgiveness from the Inquisition because they already know their fate... They are doomed men... Damned by their own Battle Brothers and by their own genetic corruption, but their only desire in the world is to help their brethren be released from their own chaotic immortality and when the time comes die without regret. They know they are being hunted, they know their damnation, but they will fight whoever attempts to be their Grim Reaper. Once they have rid the universe of their traitorous brothers, they will willingly take their place upon the sacraficial altar and take their own lives, for them there is no redemption, there is only damnation.
I wonder how the SMs are still alive. Sure Space Marines, especially blood angels have very long lives but the Horus Heresy may be a stretch. The World Eaters are still here as Chaos because the Warp distorts time and space.
If a bit unoriginal as far as pre-heresy chapters go, there are no other big flaws other than the one above.
one thing though.......Having scouts means they are veteran scouts because you cannot have neophytes anymore or make any new marines.
good luck with this.
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The aforementioned age problem is my biggest concern, along with the pscyhosurgical enhancements that the World Eaters had, which were by and large done pre-Heresy. They wouldn't be thinking overly tactically after that, just wanting to kill.
And if you claim they are mobile, how are they mobile? They would have to have techmarines around at the very least, as normal marines would not know how to repair and maintain much of their equipment.
My gut feeling would be just to do a pre-Heresy World Eater army, and write the saga of their own personal Great Crusade with the battles you fight, and then have them ultimately turn traitor with the rest of their legion.
Not quite.. world eaters are very sane outside of battle..Originally Posted by Xerxes
As soon as the red mist comes, though, they're virtually uncontrollable.
But I agree.. Marines don't live 10,000 years without the blessings of chaos or some other wierdness.
I'd go with Xerxes idea and just make a pre heresy army. It doesn't have to make sense. If you really don't want them to turn traitor, have them stick to their beliefs and get butched with the chaplains and almost everyone else in the chaos legions who resisted the betrayal, or perish before corruption could set in.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; May 10th, 2006 at 02:06.
Hmm. Actually, I donâ€™t think this army is as unfeasible as claimed by the previous posters (or else Iâ€™m just sidestepping a lot of the fluff because I love World Eaters and would love to see a loyalist army based on them, but hush, donâ€™t tell anyone ).
To address the problem of your Marines longevity or lack thereof, I should probably mention that due to the undiluted potency of their geneseed, Crusade Era Marines are actually immortal, as per the novel â€˜Horus Risingâ€™. However, they donâ€™t actually live forever; theirs is an ironic existence, created as they are to be immortal but doomed to die in battle for the greater good of humanity. Technically, you could claim that your Marines, or at least a few of them, are actual survivors from the Heresy, but seeing as the World Eaters do not avoid a fight and prefer close combat over a ranged assault, it statistically improbable that they should still be alive in great numbers after 10,000 years.
However, I donâ€™t see why your Marines shouldnâ€™t be able to induct new recruits into their ranks; we donâ€™t know for sure that their geneseed is tainted, after all, or perhaps they instead chose to â€˜borrowâ€™ geneseed from a loyalist Chapter but trained the initiates to be World Eaters in all but genetics; the novel â€˜Storm of Ironâ€™ proved to us that a Marineâ€™s training is more important to his allegiance than his geneseed, and it would seem some Traitor Chapters are not above using stolen geneseed to proliferate, so why should your Chapter be? Or the Chapter could have found a way to cleanse their tainted geneseed, as did the Soul Drinkers when they had been exposed to Chaos mutagenics that tainted them; I doubt the World Eaters would be half as insane without the aggression-enhancing implants, for instance (although, as Mantis says, theyâ€™re quite normal when theyâ€™re not fighting), and I donâ€™t see why they would or even could create such implants for new Marines. Or they could be accepting renegade Marines from other Chapters, like the Red Corsairs, except these renegades would still be loyal to the Imperium and the Emperor, just unwelcome in their own Chapter for whatever reasons.
As for how the Chapter manages to supply themselves, you could go with FabricatorGeneralMikeâ€™s idea and have secret benefactors within the Administratum helping them, or you could say that they have claimed a world of their own and set up the local population to supply them with the necessities. They neednâ€™t even force the populace to work for them; most ordinary humans would feel honoured to support a Marine Chapter and work happily to keep it in fighting condition, especially if serfs and new recruits were also found among the locals. Also, thereâ€™s nothing to say that the Chapter doesnâ€™t trade with others for what they canâ€™t produce themselves.
That all depends on one crucial thing, though: do they still claim the name and heritage of World Eaters? Or have they hidden their true identity for outsiders and are posing as Successors of a loyalist Chapter? The latter would probably be the most practical, but knowing Marines, I bet thereâ€™s an honour thing involved in not giving up your original name willingly. Then again, perhaps they feel a change of name is necessary to set them apart from their heretic brethren, so itâ€™s really up to you.
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If they changed there name and be a succesive chapter then they won't have any problems with the inquisition and supplies.
Marines know what honour is but they aint fouls. If they need to change there chapter name to ensure survival they would do that, although it will be against there will.
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Hey everyone thx for the input... I hadn't thought of the age issue. That is kind of a stickler so I'm going to try and brainstorm how they would have lived so long... maybe because their geneseed is tainted they would have the whole voices-in-the-head thing from chaos and have just been trying to fight it off.
Maybe their corrupted seed gives them an unnatural longevity? anything is possible. look at some of the main heroes in the game. and the primarchs. is it not possible? just have to work it out.
Like I said previously, they know they are doomed men. Maybe eventually becomming that which they hunt is their true damnation. Don't know. But I am going to sit down and re-work it I'll repost the revised edition on this thread so keep tuned...
Interesting posts, and I must say, I am glad it didnt turn into a no you can't do it because _____ ( fill in the blank). But the point I Was trying to make is that there genetic make up was flawed from beginning. There tainted by chaos, and we all saw what happened to the other chapters who turned traitor. Now was it the enviorment ( ie the eye of terror) that helped them along, yes. But look at other chaos followers no eye and they still mutate all be it at different rates. Even if they where immortial they would still degenerate due to the flawed gene seed from there primarch. And yes I do love the world eaters also, the WE and death guard are my fav traitors, guess im just a khorne and nurgle kinda guy ;]. If you can explain the flawd geneseed in some way, then i'd buy into it. Look what happened with the cursed founding, which I do believe used the traitors geneseed. I could be wrong, and if I am then so be it.
Again thanks for making me think, and thankyou for laying this out so well. And the best of luck with it =o]
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