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    Opinions plz.

    Hey, i've been tryng to create my own space marine chapter for a while now but i can't settle on an idea, and when i do i can't develop the idea fully. Here's what i've got so far:

    I want to create a Death Watch style chapter but have them as a permanent chapter instead of having to draw marines from other chapters. I was also have them based from a space fleet, making it easier to fulfil their role under the command of the Ordo Xenos.

    Due to the chapter operating from a space fleet and being a specialised force, its organised different from that laid down in the Codex Astartes. The chapter's structured as below-

    Chapter HQ: Chapter Master, Chaplains, Apothecaries and Librarians etc.
    The 1st Company: Terminator squads and Dreadnoughts.
    The 2nd Company: Veteran/ Elite squads and Veteran Scout squads.
    The 3rd Company: Assault, Tactical and Devastator squads.
    The 4th Company: Assault, Tactical and Devastator squads.
    The 5th Company: Assault, Tactical and Devastator squads.
    The 6th Company: Scout squads.

    The chapters initial training was done by the Raven Guard and Imperial Fist chapters. Some of the chapter were also taught markmanship by the Vindicare assassin temple.

    Colour scheme wise, i was thinking of black armour with a completely white left arm, right shoulder pad trim and helmet. For the chapter symbol i was going to use a black fist.

    What do you's reckon? Will this work or am i just off my head?
    Cheers guys, trub.


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    It's perfectly fine to make your own chapter and organise them how you want, in fact a Space Marine's chapter organisation is entirely up to the chapter and the Codex Astartes is just a recomended guideline, but they wouldn't be under the direct command of the Ordo Xenos. The OX already has the Deathwatch and that's the only chamber militant they're allowed to have. They have reasons for not having a permanently standing chapter and are very careful about how they do things. It would make a lot more sence if you said the chapter had very close ties with the Ordo. You can use the "suffer Not the Alien to Live" trait to have them specialise against a paticular alien race,but you can only choose one. You're other option is to stick an actual Deathwatch team into your army, but then you only have the one squad.

    I'd really suggest waiting for the Ordo Xenos codex if you really want an army of expert alien hunters.

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    Agreed with Edicuis. The deathwatch aren't a chapter, so you can't really have a 'deathwatch style' chapter. The Ordo Xenos would neither wish, nor be allowed, to maintain their own space marine chapters. As Edicus suggest, just make a 'codex' chapter with strong ties to the Ordo Xenos.. perhaps many of the high ranking figures have served in the deathwatch in the past, and have developed contacts in the ordo which they can call upon.

    Some of the chapter were also taught markmanship by the Vindicare assassin temple.
    This is also a problem.

    There are only a few people in the galaxy outside of the Officio Assassinorum who have the opportunity to interact regularly with officio assassinorum agents. The Thorian Sourcebook for Inquisitor suggests that even the Ordo Sicarius, the Inquisitors who sanction most assassin usage, can only realistically request to meet the assassins themselves once every few years. Would space marines be likely to have any more luck?

    The Officio Assassinorum temples are tiny, secretive groups. It seems unlikely to me they'd waste the time of their impossibly valuable and skilled agents by asking them to do anything which didn't involve their specialised method of killing. They're the most deadly killers the human race can produce. Teacher training or even basic interpersonal skills likely got shifted off the curriculum in favour of more chem baths, psychosurgery and learning how to decapitate someone with your bare hands.
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    I cant see ANY Assassin temple teaching outsiders anything of there methods of murder. Most people dont know anything about assassins, and most imperial agents will never have even seen a assassin let alone be cross trained by them. This seems to be a big trend in making up fluff about your army, most people want them to inquistion alinged, have special or unique ties with organizations that are -cool- ie inquistion, its chambers millitant, assassins, xenos hunters, etc etc. Not everything has to revolve around doing something like that. Say that they came from a region of space with high xenos activity hence forth why they are such good alien killers. Instead of making them corss trained by a assassin temple. Make it so they are natural marksmen, make it part of the initation process for the chapter, that they are fully conditioned to be excellent marksmen above and beyond the normal marines. Its a big galaxy out there and GW intentially leaves alog rather vauge so that this kind of stuff can be possible. I think you will find it much more rewarding thinking up your own fluff then just saying there like the deathwatch and have assassin training. Hell make up some arm from some obscure Imperial orgainzation to explain why they would be like this. Remember in the imperium EVERYTHING is exploited nothing goes to waste, except human lives which are cheep and easly replaced. Hope I gave you some ideas and good luck with them. =o]
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    Sounds cool but you must realize that eace of the compainies is ment to be an army so that it can function without the assistance of the rest of the chapter except for a couple special ones. But you have the riht to do as youw will but you will have companies mixing with eachother on the field.

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    You could say there home world is home to death cult assassins trained in marksmanship and have taken some their training patterns as their own. it seems like your chapter is highly specialised (and lot smaller) than a regular space marine chapter so some of their reccruitment and training would probably be quite unique as well. Alternativly the Ordo Sicarius recommended /set up a unique training programme for the chapter so they could call on their aid for missions that required slightly different tactics to a normal Vindicare hit (i.e large ambushes and the like)
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    Hey, i've been and had a bit more of a think about this.(and, yes, it did hurt.)

    What if i changed it so the chapter to having strong ties to the Ordo Sicarius instead of the Ordo Xenos? And when i said 'Death Watch style', i meant a small and specialised force.

    Such as the chapter being specialised in ambush tactics, guerilla and urban warfare, aswell as being adept at siege warfare.

    With the chapter being specialists at ambushes and guerilla warfare, there is extra training done on markmanship.( because ever shot counts.)

    Having ties to the Ordo Sicarius means the chapter will have access to better weaponry and equipment (such as stalker rounds etc.)

    I've also changed the colour scheme slightly- black armour with the right shoulder trim and the whole of the left arm being white. Also, i was thinking about a name, and i quite like 'The Shadow Guard'.

    P.S I struggle with names for my characters (chapter master etc.), so all ideas welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trub
    Hey, i've been and had a bit more of a think about this.(and, yes, it did hurt.)

    What if i changed it so the chapter to having strong ties to the Ordo Sicarius instead of the Ordo Xenos? And when i said 'Death Watch style', i meant a small and specialised force

    Such as the chapter being specialised in ambush tactics, guerilla and urban warfare, aswell as being adept at siege warfare.
    It still doesnt change the fact that unless it was a full founding, that the HighLords and FG of the Mechanicus still wouldn't allow anything short of a full chapter. ITs not like there going to allow a partial chapter made. Dont get caught up in the -my army has to be the uber elete special forces of whatever secret orgainzation- thing. I kinda like the xenos hunter thing it would explain alot fluff wise as to why they are around, what there purpace is and why they are good at what they do:yes:

    Quote Originally Posted by trub
    With the chapter being specialists at ambushes and guerilla warfare, there is extra training done on markmanship.( because ever shot counts.).
    Excellent idea. now, isnt that better then having them cross trained by the assassins? I know it doesnt sound as cool, but, it make it alot more plausabe:shifty:

    Quote Originally Posted by trub
    Having ties to the Ordo Sicarius means the chapter will have access to better weaponry and equipment (such as stalker rounds etc.).
    again I would go with something more obscure. but that would give you the access that you do need for that kind of weapons and such. but thats just me and sometimes there is just no pleasing me. Just ask the old lady:shifty:

    Quote Originally Posted by trub
    I've also changed the colour scheme slightly- black armour with the right shoulder trim and the whole of the left arm being white. Also, i was thinking about a name, and i quite like 'The Shadow Guard'.
    Thats a neat name, and I rather like it . Maybe you could use a grimreaper or something for the chapter icon. Kinda like the DA's but actually see the bones and stuff in the hands and the skull face... good call on the name tho:yes:

    Quote Originally Posted by trub
    P.S I struggle with names for my characters (chapter master etc.), so all ideas welcome.
    ya I do also, if I come up with anything good, ill post it :yes:
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    Cheers guys, its amazing how many little things can be sorted out by posting on here.
    Defo sticking with the name, 'The Shadow Guard', i think it rocks.
    I'm gonna use a black fist as their symbol, not too keen on loads of icons etc. (less is more, in my eyes)

    Still want the chapter undersized though, any ideas how i can justify it? Maybe just say that 4 companies were wiped out in some massacre, and the chapter never recovered, instead chosing to embrace being a smaller chapter and adjusted accordingly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trub
    Cheers guys, its amazing how many little things can be sorted out by posting on here.
    Defo sticking with the name, 'The Shadow Guard', i think it rocks.
    I'm gonna use a black fist as their symbol, not too keen on loads of icons etc. (less is more, in my eyes)

    Still want the chapter undersized though, any ideas how i can justify it? Maybe just say that 4 companies were wiped out in some massacre, and the chapter never recovered, instead chosing to embrace being a smaller chapter and adjusted accordingly?

    Well, you go with the massacre, and just say they just started rebuilding after horrendious losses. If you wanted to, you could even add that to the fluff. You could make it like they where on a crusade and they got anniliated by X(______) (fill in the blank) and now they are rebulding after recovering the geneseed of there fallen bretheren. Might be a good read also :yes:

    Good luck with it :ninja:
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