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Is there any fluff reason as to why there are two different types of helmets for the space marines? ("beaky" v. "non-beaky")
Is it just different makes of armour? If it isn't then the only possible reason I could think of it might be something to do with different helmets designs compensating for differences with the space marines Betcher's Gland, eg the "beaky" helmet might hold a repository of the venom that space marines secrete due to "beaky" helmeted space marines having over active betcher's glands.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but it's been niggling me for about 3 weeks.
Different makes of Armour. This is from Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons...2C000%29#Power and best explains it
There are eight known versions of power armour in use by the Space Marines:
Mk1 Thunder Pattern Power Armour; the first Power Armour created for the Space Marines. It was developed from the armour worn by the techno-barbarians that plagued Holy Terra during the Age of Strife. It was used during the Emperor’s first conquest to retake and unite the Terran solar system before the Great Crusade. It was by no means unique to the first space marines - in fact, the techno-barbarian warriors the Emperor fought during the conquest of Terra wore it too, and the Emperor's forces were wearing it even before the first Space Marines were developed. However, because it was designed with Earth-fighting in mind, it is not fully enclosed, with no means to support the wearer in vacuums. Only the upper body is powered, due in part to the fact that during the Conquest of Terra, ranged weapons were difficult to make due to technological constraints, and so a warrior's upper-body strength was his most important asset.
Mk2 Crusade Pattern Power Armour; was developed towards the end of the Age of Strife and was used during the dawn of the Imperium during the Emperor’s Great Crusade to retake the lost worlds of man. It was designed as a fully enclosed suit with life-sustaining systems that now allowed the Space Marines to fight in deep space and on alien worlds with hostile atmospheres or environments. The armor was made up of circular armor rings fitted under and over each other, making this armor relatively tedious to repair. These precious relics are still used during ceremonial procedures by some chapters and given to champions as battle armour in others. These suits are also referred to as Crusader Armour.
Mk3 Iron Pattern Power Armour; It was soon realised that fighting in the tight corridors of spaceships was very dangerous. The Iron suit was designed to give greater protection to the Marines. The frontal armour was much thicker (thereby giving greater protection), but the rear armour was thinner to compensate. The wedge-shaped helmet (designed to deflect incoming fire) formed the basis of the distinctive Corvus beak helmet.
Mk4 Maximus Pattern Power Armour; This armor was to be the replacement for the old Mk2 armor of the Great Crusade; it was the first armor to incorporate many components used in modern armor. However, it was made from rare alien materials, and when the Horus Heresy broke out soon after it was issued, it was found that most chapters cut off from supplies could not find the materials needed to make it or repair it, and they were often rendered unrepairable by relatively minor battle damage.
Mk5 Heresy Pattern Power Armour; this armour was developed as a solution to the supply problems of the Horus Heresy. It was easily made from the most basic of materials, and it was easy to maintain. Almost all soldiers used spikes to hold the armor layers together, making the studs shown universally on all examples of this armor. In time, it became traditional for the studs to be found on the head, lower legs, and left shoulderpad of the armor. Due to the sub-standard materials used in the construction of this armor variant, it had a tendency to over-heat quickly, and many marines had to endure sub-standard performance by turning down the power output of their backpack to prevent intolerable heat build-ups.
Mk6 Corvus Pattern Power Armour; this classic variant can be traced back to the time of the Horus Heresy and is still commonly used in contemporary Chapters. It is characterised by the beak-like muzzle on the helmet and a studded Auto-reactive shoulder plate on the left shoulder of the armour. The beak or muzzle led fans to nickname this variant "Womble armour" or "Beakie armor", and a dictionary of the Orkish language in the 2nd Edition Ork Codex listed Marines as "beakies".
Mk7 Aquila Pattern Power Armour (also known as Imperator armour) is the contemporary variant most commonly used by the Space Marine Chapters. Characterised by the grim looking Vox caster (external vocaliser) on the faceplate and the Plastron displaying the Imperialis (Winged Skull), which has given the armour different names such as Armorum Impetor or Eagle Armour. Note: the double-headed Imperial eagle, the symbol of the Imperium, is referred to as the 'Aquila'.
Mk8 Errant Pattern Power Armour; this is an update to the Aquila pattern armour, and is distinguished by a raised collar at the front, and armored plating for the torso cables. Full versions of this armor are almost never seen; however, it is common to find parts of it being used by officers and veterans on the battlefield.
excellent answer BMac, basically mk 6 armour was a 'stop-gap' armour between mk5 and mk7 armour. Thats the fluff story. In the real world. The Game designers wanted to make cooler modles. Personally imma 'beakie; kinda guy, there what got me into 40k in the first place =o] so ya, im kinda bias.
FluffMaster on a mission to turn people to the Sisters of battle, yes folks it's all about SoB squads in Repressors with lots of flamer templates for the win.
Thanks guy's, I never thought of using wiki. I will check it in future before asking questions.
And for models of each of those armour variants...
That site has some real classics on it... if I could get hold of them I might be tempted to start SM... they were just... wow...
*chokes up with nostalgia*
Xerxes, calm down everything will be okay. That is if you frequent E-bay and start hunting down things.
Trust me, I've even seen a NIB Pratorean box being sold up there that held I think 25 models.
I'll be damned before the soldiers of the Emperor are just left to rot!
Last words of Colonel Densit from the Rahaxin 19th
"DISS NOT THE EMPEROR'S POINTED STICK, HERETIC!"
If it doesn't work with the Emperor. Then it's been officially Karmooned!!!
BEWARE THE POWER OF THE LIGHT-BRIGHT!
My Oldest Brother started playing WH40K when it had pretty much first come out so I have access to most of those models painted and ready to go. (They make a quality veteran squad and the space marine with shades looks quality)
So are chaos space marines whereing the crappy heresy armour or crusader armour or what?
wow i didnt know wiki had all that stuff
Originally Posted by dan8uillin
Depends. The original traitor legions are mostly wearing what used to be Mk3 to Mk5, with a very few Mk2's still floating around. However exposure to the warp has caused most of thier armour to mutate and change along with them and a lack of supplies has caused them to scavenged or forge new bits and pieces that are added to the suit over the centuries.
I personaly prefer the Mk7 and Mk8 variants. They just look cooler IMO.Those beakie helmets where rediculous. "Run! It's the mighty Space Pidgeons!"