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There was a nice thread over on another forum that asked 'Why can't Space Marines be the good guys?' which spawned another thread on thinking of Chaos in a similar light. I was wondering what people over here thought. Now, thinking about good vs. evil tends to elicit responses along the lines of "There is no such thing as good." which really is a bit besides the point. So I want to reword the question a bit:
What do you think of considering the Chaos Legions as the saviors or heroes of mankind?
Of course, mutation and possession are hardly keeping humanity as it exists currently. However life in the Imperium hardly matches present day humanity either. Is embracing Chaos one way to save mankind? There's one faction of radical inquisitors that feels that way (I forget the name) so there certainly seems to be some justification for this thinking. I'd just like to hear what people think.
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Embracing Chaos will send your soul to hell where it will be a plaything for the Flesh Hounds. The only Warp entity to worship is the Emperor (presumably). Gotta say, though it might empower us in the short term, if the Chaos Gods overrun the material realm, then the whole galaxy will become a nest of corruption, mutation, and Daemon Worlds. That will not save man, though it might destroy our enemies, such as Necrons.
Sure, chaos are the good guys, from one point of view.
Horus turned to chaos in the belief that, with it, he could build a stronger, better Empire than the Emperor could, and he may well have been right. We never found out because he and the Emperor killed each other.
Besides, what's wrong with chaos. Sure, it's chaotic, but it's also right. Ultimately, under chaos, the strong do survive, and can even go on to achieve states and possibilities far beyond what they ever could have done otherwise.
Chaos also demands servitude.. But then again, maybe it's worth serving. Unlike the Emperor, it actually offers some rewards provided you're strong enough to be able to reach them.
If Horus had won the heresy, the human race would be a hell of a lot less recognisably human, as you said. But that doesn't mean it would be any worse off.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; May 23rd, 2006 at 15:45.
Well actually the fractional amount of humans that would survive as "the strong" would lead the teh rest of the race living lives as complete servants to thsoe few masters. Lives far worse than the ones they live now. And then when they die they would be rent apart by the daemons that had overrun everything. So really for 0.1% of the pop...yes it is better. But overall its far worse for humanity and would ultimately lead to the downfall of the whole race, and then the "strong" masters as well as they would no longer be able to raid into the substanially healthier imperium to get new slaves. Afterall in this case they took over it all.
Facts remain is that the traiotr legions ultimately consume too much and produce too little. A traitor marine galactic empire would exaust and burn itself out far quicker than the imperium ever could. Better? I'd say in the long run its way worse.
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Which faction? The Istvaanians thrive on conflict, the Xanthites think that Chaos can be turned against itself (not embraced wholeheartedly), and Horusians want to use the power of Chaos to bring the Emperor back into his old body. I didn't think any of them supported Chaos outright.Originally Posted by Bob Dole
But as I said, modern Horusians don't think Chaos is the solution to all humanity's problems, they merely think that using Chaos energy to ressurect the Emperor is the best way to go about things. Granted, it's possible that Moriana herself may have thought that, but her faction in itself is extinct. As I said above, modern Horusians (those that split from the Promeans after Moriana disappeared) merely use Chaos as a tool to the Emperor's ressurection, not as a pancea.
I think it states in the chaos codex, although it might be a different book as I don't have mine here, that no human soul can survive the death of its body. Therefore, the thing about chaos worshippers going to hell or being ripped up by daemons on death is irrelevant. All humans suffer the same fate, their souls can't last long in the warp.
Eldar souls can, which is why they have such a huge problem with dying right now.Are you sure?Well actually the fractional amount of humans that would survive as "the strong" would lead the teh rest of the race living lives as complete servants to thsoe few masters. Lives far worse than the ones they live now.
Life in the Imperium isn't very nice, unless of course you're one of the elite. The only thing I can see changing under chaos is that the elite would need to have some quality worth rewarding, rather than just being born into a certain noble family, and everyone would have tentacles.Again, are you sure..Facts remain is that the traiotr legions ultimately consume too much and produce too little. A traitor marine galactic empire would exaust and burn itself out far quicker than the imperium ever could. Better? I'd say in the long run its way worse.
There'd be fewer laws of physics holding everything back so presumably when all these resources ran out (I'm not sure why this would happen any quicker in a chaos ruled galactic empire) they could pray for the gods to make new ones.
There are untold billions of chaos serving semi-human inhabitants in the eye of terror, they manage to get by without burning themselves out.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; May 24th, 2006 at 14:35.