Luna Wolves?

[Ignorant Bliss]

Even though Abaddon remade the Luna Wolves into the Black Legion, could there be some left? Like, some didn't want to be a legion and continued what they were doing? If so, what would they look like?

[Caluin]

No Luna Wolves left at all. They were all renamed to the Sons of Horus before the Heresy.

I wouldn't think even the Sons of Horus would remain. They have a very bad stigma following after them, and were loathed and despised by all the other Legions for Horus's failure. The renaming to the Black Legion was meant to shrug off that stigma, so I doubt any would voluntarily want to keep the Sons of Horus name.

[Will J]

I can't imagine the Imperium tolerating the existence of any legacies of Horus, even "good" ones. I'm not sure what they would look like, take a look at ione of the Horus Heresy books perhaps.

[Xiahou Dun]

Are you sure about that?

Space marines are a pretty prideful (is that a word?) bunch. I imagine at least some of them would have had too much pride in their history and origins to just give it all up. Perhaps some of the captains, or some of the people who were close to horus?

But then, even if there were a few I suppose they're probably dead by now. At least there probably wouldn't be enough to make up a company, or even a squad.

[numberofthebeastxxx]

Originally Posted by Xiahou Dun

Space marines are a pretty prideful (is that a word?) bunch. I imagine at least some of them would have had too much pride in their history and origins to just give it all up. Perhaps some of the captains, or some of the people who were close to horus?.

None were closer to Horus than Abaddon. And it was his idea to shrug off the "sons of horus" mantle. It has nothing to do with pride. It has to do with unity. Without this change, and without uniting under the next best leader besides Horus (Abaddon) members of the legion would still be at open war with each other.

It is possible (I use that term losely) that a few "sons of horus" remain, but not Luna Wolves. Even the loyalists were still around when Horus changed the name of his legion to "The Sons of Horus". However, any loyalists from the sons would have been killed with all the others at Istavaan. Not that there were many within the Luna Wolves, they were far to close to horus for there to be any large amount. Hell, many of them even had the facial features of Horus!

[Ignorant Bliss]

My mistake, i meant the Sons of Horus, i had the two mixed up. But if some had been close enough to Horus to get angry when Abaddon starts calling him a "fool" and a "weakling", they might decide that they don't want to desacrate what was left of Horus, who in their eyes was better than both the Emperor and Abaddon. Just a thought, again, sorry about the Luna Wolves, Sons of Horus mix up.

[NiteRabbit]

The problem is, Abaddon is seen by the majority of the Black Legion as the successor to Horus' legacy and if he chooses to disassociate the Legion with Horus, then that's his decision to make. Abaddon essentially rules with an iron fist so that even if someone did want to question him they would be crushed or forced to leave. It is not unreasonable to think that perhaps a Chaos Champion would still want to preserve the legacy of Horus but they would no longer be allowed to call themselves a member of the Black Legion if they did so. They'd probably break off and form their own warband, although, having said that, the people most likely to have attachments to Horus' legacy are the original Black Legionnares, the ones who were part of the Sons of Horus from the beginning, and the only one we know the fate of at the moment is Abaddon himself. Any others would likely have agreed with him or have been crushed already. The newer Black Legionnares would probably not feel the same connection to Horus that the original ones did, making it easier for the Legion as a whole to disassociate themselves from Horus.

[R.A.P.T.O.R]

hey guys I couldn't help but overhear your conversation and was wondering that since this talks about abbadon and the black legion, etc, I want to ask a question about Abaddon.

Is His power the equivilent of a demon primarch?
And why isn't he a demon prince?
Is he the strongest chaos lord/legion master out there, of all the chaos legions?(excluding primarchs)
Can he defeat any loyalist chapter master in combat?
Do the other legion masters fear him?
etc, etc


Thank you.

[LordLink]

The general thing to keep in mind when designing your own army is that you can do ANYTHING. The Sons of Horus had about 30,000 people in it. Loyalist marine armies are usually based around companies which contain 100 people. It's perfectly acceptable to have 100 or so marines didn't feel like following Abaddon.

One question, did they join Horus in the heresy then refuse to join Abaddon. Or did they go against Horus and not participate in the heresy at all?

If they did participate in the heresy:

this presents no problem as once Horus died it is absolutely acceptable that a few of his captains went their own way. Abaddon didn't hold that much sway after all. It would be very hard/impossible to say they are still part of the Imperium. Maybe a neutral company or part of chaos but not Imperium. They could still be loyal to the emperor I guess...


If they did not participate in the Horus heresy:

this means you will have to write some pretty convincing fluff as to why they betrayed their primarch. Maybe they were horrified by Istvaan and fled to the emperor asking for redemption. If they had personally been redeemed by the emperor (not yet dead/dying) then the Inquisition would not dare touch them after the heresy. They could still fight as a chapter, would also justify use of the "we stand alone" trait as no-one else trusts Sons of Horus.

Alternatively you could just field them and claim they are based around pre-heresy time period. No-one would object tto your fluff in a game.

Just remember when it comes to fluff anything goes. Try not to contradict any GW fluff but fell free to do whatever you want, no-ones going to complain, except the Ultramarine players, they fight viciously in fluff attacks on their chapter. (funny incident on the GW forum a while back ).

[lack0fbettername]

A small peice of fluff.. In the book "horus rising" writen by dan arbite. It says that the idea to rename the legion was acctualy the emperor's idea after he made horus warmaster. And some time before the heresy.