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I am planning to start a pre-heresy Luna Wolves Army and I need to know fluffwise what units were available to them to use. I couldn't find anything in a search so I posted my question here. From what I have learned these were the following units available:
Land Raider(no varients)
Commanders, chaplains, and librarians
Is this correct? Is there any thing I'm missing? Your help is greatly appreciated!
Last edited by Helbrecht; June 21st, 2006 at 00:03.
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Land Speeders were post-Heresy (I'm pretty sure).
They probably had a few jump packs, not many though.
Definately Terminators, the entire first company was terminator armoured in the Ullanor Crusade.
And they probably had Librarians (most Legions did) and Chaplains (though I could be wrong with that).
Melta weapons, storm bolters and plasma guns (man portable anyway) would be very rare.
Power swords would be commander only (the STC was found after the Heresy, but there were a few kicking around beforehand), plenty of power axes and maces though. No thunder hammers at all.
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Also, assualt cannons didnt exsist back then, thats why the CSM still use reaper autocannons on their termies. Heavy weapons wise, I'm certain they had missile launchers, but I dont know about heavy bolters. Lascannons are also possible, but defiantly no multi meltas...
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They would have had lascannons because how could they else have Lascannons on there land-raiders. They would be pretty rare, because of the size required. The heavy bolter would exist because it's just a bolter that is belt fed and has a rapid-fire mechanism.
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Discovered at the same time as the Land Raider.. They're definately pre heresy.Originally Posted by I am the Monkey KingActually I'm not sure about that.. It seems implied in the Thousand Sons chapter approved that the use of psykers is what made them so distrusted and led to them having to argue repeatedly to the Emperor and other primachs that psykers could be used for benevolent ends. This seems to indicate that most legions did not consider psykers a viable battlefield resource at that time.Originally Posted by I am the Monkey King
Then again.. Typhus was a librarian before the Heresy, and was clearly known by his brothers to be psychic since he volunteered to replace the navigators aboard the Terminus Est when the legion was lost in the warp. So the sources are very confused on this.You're right on the storm bolters, but plasma guns? As I understood it, plasma gun technology has actually gone backwards over the years. This is why the Dark Angels have so many. They have all their old relic pieces.Originally Posted by I am the Monkey King
Oops forgot! will make amends up above.Definately Terminators, the entire first company was terminator armoured in the Ullanor Crusade.No on the chaplain because Space marines did not worship the emperor at this point, only after he ascended to the golden throne.And they probably had Librarians (most Legions did) and Chaplains (though I could be wrong with that).I agree, the fluff surrounding them is mixed, so to be safe I won't use them.Actually I'm not sure about that.. It seems implied in the Thousand Sons chapter approved that the use of psykers is what made them so distrusted and led to them having to argue repeatedly to the Emperor and other primachs that psykers could be used for benevolent ends. This seems to indicate that most legions did not consider psykers a viable battlefield resource at that time.
Then again.. Typhus was a librarian before the Heresy, and was clearly known by his brothers to be psychic since he volunteered to replace the navigators aboard the Terminus Est when the legion was lost in the warp. So the sources are very confused on this.
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Actually they did have Chaplains. And they did have librarians (psykers). After the Council of Nikaea, they Emperor decreed that the Legions must abolish their Librarius divisions. No legion could employ psykers in battle, or continue their studies into the warp and psychic talents.Originally Posted by Helbrecht
Lorgar of the Word bearers was the first to employ chaplains in his legion, as spiritual advisors and religious leaders. Inspired by this Malcador the Sigillite, the leader of the council of terra (yet another folly of the council), issued an order in the Emperors name, that legions appoint chaplains to ensure the spiritual well-being of the chapters, and to enforce the psyker ban.
Lorgar, primarch of the Word Bearers, is said to have been quite amused by the irony of this edict. As, at this time, his legion had already turned to chaos.
Yet another proof of religious zealots leading to mankinds downfall, in this universe anyway. Keep in mind that this order was not given by the Emperor, who dispised such religious worship, but by the leader of the council of terra.
Also, pre-heresy marines heavily used plasma technology. We can find evidence of this in many places, most notably in the Horus Heresy Volumes. They had everything from plasma pistols and guns, to the larger cannons. Many devestators used plasma-cannons. Though for some reason we only get them on our dreadnoughts...
Yes, they did have landspeeders, and lascannons, and landraiders, etc. etc. And yes, combi-bolters were used by pre-heresy terminators.
Thank you for the information, I fixed the information above.
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The jump packs used by the legions are also superior in various ways to the Imperial ones, not sure quite how you would reflect that pre-Heresy but the info is there. And if you're using an Imperial list, I'm not sure how you'd represent it.
And strorm bolters didn't exist. They had combi-bolters instead.
Originally Posted by Xerxes
I'll help fill you in. Earlier forms of jump pack were rather more sophisticated and efficient than the ones commonly used by the Imperium. They were considerably lighter and less bulky, while at the same time having a higher thrust to mass ratio which allowed slightly longer and higher jumps to be performed.
At the time of the Heresy, very few units of troops were equipped with jump packs. It was the same way that Terminator armour is still seen as being a badge of honour. Back then, if you were a member of jump pack-equipped assault unit was a source of pride and prestige. So don't have very many jump-pack guys, as they were as rare as terminators.
To represent them, just eqip your guys with the chaos jump-packs, as they are as close as your going to get to the pre-heresy ones. There almost the same, just a little warped.
Hope that helped.