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Would pre-heresy terminators have the Crux Terminatus badge on their armor? From my understanding it was used only after the heresy when the emperor was wounded and decreed his armor be melted down and used as a badge for terminators to denote their honored position. If it wasn't is there any universal badge used by all terminators?
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Hmm interesting well from reading Horus Rising and False Gods it would appear that they do not have any symbols beyond the chapter and squad markings. Also the fact that they are wearing Terminator Armour would mark them out as specialists i feel. So there really wouldn't be any universal badge to mark them.
Originally Posted by Helbrecht
No, terminator captains wouldn't have this as the final fight between Horus and the Emperor hadn't happened yet. I would think they would have other symbles such as the Crux Argentum.:yes: :shifty: :yes:
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Thank you both for your responses, my assumption was right judging from you answers.
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The story behind the Crux Terminatus is a very interesting one (and one of the first that I learned when researching material on the Horus Heresy). Basically, Horus in the final fight was more powerful than the Emperor in almost every way but he was weakened somewhat by the fight with Sanguinius, which was the first factor weighing in the Emperor's favour. The second was when an Imperial Fists Terminator (or more than one, stories vary on this point) fights his way to the bridge and tries to attack Horus, though he fails and gets turned inside out with a single glance. However, this distraction was all the Emperor needed to unleash the final psychic attack that destroyed Horus and He probably couldn't have done it without the intervention of that one Terminator. In one of his more lucid moments on the Golden Throne, the Emperor decreed that his armour be melted down and fashioned into the Crux Terminatus, which gives Terminator Armour its invulnerable save. Chaos Space Marines wouldn't have it, of course, as their armour is pre-heresy (so, no, the Crux Terminatus did not exist at this time) but to balance things out they are imbued with the protection of the Dark Gods.
In the old days Terminator Armour was still experimental after all.
Actually nite rabbit as I remember ther story goes that the Emperor was atleast Horus's equal and simply couldn't bring himself to bring his full might to bear against his beloved son. Horus had killed Sanguinius pretty much instantaneously upon Sanguinius's refusal of him so I can't see how Horus could have been weakened.
Horus courteously replied to that with whats probably one of the most graphic beat downs i've ever read. But just as he was going to finish the Emperor off the IF termy walked in and charged Horus, knwoing probably that he didn't stand a chance. Horus turns him to dust with a glance and laughs maniacaly at his triumph.
Its in this moment that the Emperos see's that the ture Horus, his son, is gone and all that remains is a Daemon. Furthermore the sacrifce made by the Termy reminds him of all the warriors out on the battlefields across the galaxy fighting for him, and so he summons up all the power he can and unleashes it on Horus. The Termy hadn't caused a distraction in Horus, it had caused an epiphany in the Emperor, thus the reason for the fight ending the way it did.
I can't remember the exact wording but I believe Horus even see's the blow coming but is powerless to stop the absolute psychic onslught that the Emperor releases. Horus remains caught in the beam for a moment and is momentarily released from the daemonic forces influencing and possesing him. But both him and the Emperor know that the risk of being taken over again is to great and so the Emperor finishes him off.
This is all ofcourse old fluff but I believe it is the story you were referring to.
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I'm pretty sure the 5+ terminator save is not due to a daemonic aura. If it was, it would say in the terminator entry in the chaos army list that they had daemonic aura.
My guess, terminator armour always incorporated a refractor field. That's part of it's protective arsenal in the first place.. it's one of the reasons why it was superior to regular armour. The Crux Terminatus is essentially a refractor field as well.. The difference is that, as an Imperial relic, it has spiritual properties which probably can't be represented in game.
Just remember that that always only goes as far back as early third edition Mantis...Originally Posted by The_Giant_Mantis
(Since prior to it the termies had no invulnerable save and their powerfists were not striking last. )
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The original leman Russ figure had terminator honours...
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