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I had always wondered something. When a marine squad, guardian squad, necron warrior squad etc. get's into CC...do they just use their guns to "pistol whip" people or do they go fisticuffs. Obviously this isn't in regards to the chainswords and stuff...but models that only have guns.
I noticed in the Dawn of War game, when marines get engaged they pull out some sort of combat knife. Is this right? or is it something the game developers added?
when it gets down and dirty, for those that have a rifle-ish weapon they will use the butt of it against their enemies' head, just cut to full auto and blast away infront of the target, or if they do have a knife or another weapon, pull it out and slash away. However if all they have is a pistol then they'll pistol whip them or just shoot at them and move to the next one. It all varies from person to person and everyone will do something different than each one just headbutt someone all at once, followed by everyone attempting a stab, then everyone giving a kick to the target's groin, etc, etc, etc.
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They don't represent it very well in 40k, but in other games (like Inquisitor) pistols are useful in CC because the small size allows a person to shoot with them at pointblank range when a rifle sized weapon would be too big to use effectively.
Like in the dawn of war intro where the sergeant sticks his bolt pistol right into the orks face.
Inquisitor actually has two modes of close combat, one of which takes place at arms reach and allows pistols and certain huge weapons, and one which is up close and personal and doesn't.
Alternatively they could be pistol whipping but that just doesn't seem too effective.
Also remember a marine punch can decapitate most humanoid enemies. They're very strong.
Marines carry mono edged knives. This was the one thing about 2nd edition, being able to use a pistol in close combat.
I'm not sure about the others, but I know that Necrons use the long curbed blades at the ends of their guns as a kind of scythe, swinging it from side to side of simply hackinh away vertically. Also, most Tau Cadres have long, curving hunting knives for CC.
Originally Posted by Brett on Quidditch[ 1500pt. Chaos List, C&C! ]
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I think how someone responds/fights at close range will vary considerably. The reasons I can think of are as follows. Marines are trained to fight together and to fight in a similar way.
They would need to do this so they could anticipate each others moves and help one another. It is very important that people fighting together understand thier friends style so they can work together as a team.
How anyone actually hits their enemy and with what will vary immensely. The marine may want to blast the Necron in it's face but if the Necron just twacked him and put him on his ass he will have to improvise. If a Hormagaunt lunged at it's foe who was behind barbed wire the Hormagaunt might get tangled up in it forcing it to use it's teeth not it's talons.
And of course size matters. A Tyranid warrior or a Hive tyrant will be taller than a Man. The Man would find he had less options for attack because he can only easily reach certain areas of the Tyranid. In addition a Hive tyrant may try to stomp on or catch a man sized enemy who is a minor threat in it's mouth. While it's trying this the man will scurry around trying to avoid it's feet/teeth while he aims at it's lower easy to reach vunerable areas.
The methods used by both the Man and the Hive tyrant when fighting each other are very different than they would use against enemies thier own size. A man fightng a man will not be likely to scamper around his enemy while trying to poke his ankles and a
Hive tyrant fighting a Wraithlord isn't going to start trying to step on it's toes.
In general many ideas about how to fight exist. In practice, in bloodthristy alien conflicts circumstances force everybody to adapt or die.
Last edited by Leech; June 26th, 2006 at 00:38.
for fluff purposes, this is what i dug up.Originally Posted by rovens
all space marines are issued a weapon called a Combat Knife. what is is SUPPOSED to be is a sort of "stabbing" blade, but DoW has to add in stuff like stuns or Special kill scenes.
guardians have sort of an elvish styled knife they use in combat. i only say elvish because of how it curves from one way to the opposite, like the LoD knives.