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this thought dame to me in a dream...
ok every chapter has its complete master, the black templars have helbrecht and the imperial fists have lysander and so on and so forth....
i was thinking, how come all of the leaders of the vast space marine armies, there isant one that is incased in a dreadnought. i know that the space wolves can take dreads as HQ's but thats not what i am getting at. If these guys are the uber marine of the chapter, how come they are mainly in pristene condition???
this is just a thought but how cool would it be to have a dreadnought as a special charater that was the leader of the chapter.
i think it would be fairly cool... its just a thought :w00t:
hehehe dreadnought helbrecht.. has a bit o zing to it....
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For precisely that reason. They're uber enough to keep themselves alive and in good condition. The marines that're put in dreadnoughts are nearly dead. Not too inspiring, methinks.Originally Posted by ReflexThe problem is that dreadnoughts aren't that up for quick thinking, aside from ones related to destruction. Their condition means they can't effectively communicate (they're fitted with vox-links of course, but if their throat's been lascerated it'll be a problem), their mental functions aren't preserved too well beyond basic memory storage (AIs are heresy in the Imperium and I doubt dreads get a lot of brainfood), slowing basic mental functions. You want a chapter master to be more than just a huge stompy thing, you want him to be a tactician, someone who thinks before he dives madly into the fray. Dreads, while they may be capable of this, are certainly not so on the large scale required for commanding strategies.Originally Posted by Reflex
In short, they may be stompy, but they'd make rubbish commanders.
The others have said it. Dreadnoughts just don't make good leaders. In game terms, they don't even have a leadership characteristic. As Xerxes says, they're also likely to get a bit demented over time which could impair their tactical ability.
Dreadnoughts are revered yes, they're inspiring to the troops, especially in armies like the Iron Hands which basically worship them. But while they can lead a charge, they can't really direct battleplans across an entire company with ease.
Because Space Wolf Dreadnoughts are better than the rest of yours, plus we are the best at keeping them alive and at their best:ninja: (Bjorn himself is proof of this ).
What if the mind was digitised into some system? Techmarines can do it to their own minds, why not to an inspiring leader?
I'd say a Dreadnaught could lead if a great leader was encaced in it's sarcophagus. And as for the mind getting a bit dopey, what about Cassius? He's over 500 years old. And Dante is over 1000. If those 2 can keep going despite this age, who's to say that another leader in some unknown Chapter did this to a Dreadnaught shell?
I stand by Reflex. It's a cool Idea.
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Originally Posted by Reflex
The Ironhands do, they are orgainzed along the lines of clans, there are 10 or 12 clans that make up the chapter. And sence they revier the omnissiah, and aborh the weakness of the flesh, some of the clan leaders are encased in dreadnoughts. Now really, fluffwise the secrets for makes dreadnoughts are ages lost and each one is a ancient and holy relic of the chapter, and only the best and bravest will be encased and given such a highhonour. maybe the timeing is just off ie a chaptermaster dieing when none are avaliable. maybe the chapters would just prefer his spirit to join the emperor when he dies. ( honestly tho, that would just make marines wayyy to powerful if they could do that. like comeon there uber neough without needing a uber kicks the crap outta anything dreadnought with majorhero stats...honestly SM players, dont you have enough uber kicks the crap outta just about anything units alread...coughs-termieswithassultcannonsandcyclonemisslelaunchers- coughs
Now, I dont see why you couldn't use the venerable :dread stats, amd totally convert it to make it worthy of holding a chaptermaster.... :shifty: I dont play marines, but I would assume the Vdread has somewhat better stats then a normal dread....
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What? I wasn't aware Lysander was the chapter master of the Imp fists, I thought he was the captain of the first company?Originally Posted by ReflexOriginally Posted by Reflex
Maybe its because they are the best of the best, experts at strategy, and, experienced.
And also, why do the most highest ranking officers servive the most? Its because they dont do ****! all they do is sit in their offices organizing battle plans and strategies, the captains are the ones who fight the battles. And when the leaders do* go into battle, they have a ****-load of bodyguards protecting them, who will give their life to protect their master.
Thats why its uncommon to have masters in dreadnoughts.
Actually Bjorn the Fell Handed WAS Chapter Master of the Space Wolves before being seriously injured and interred in a dreadnought. I think the main problem is that Space Marines in a dreadnought lose their mind over time (I think they become part of the dreadnought's data banks along with it's previous inhabitants) which probably isn't the best thing if you want to lead a chapter. I know the Space Wolves slow this process by keeping the Dreadnoughts in stasis for most of the time, only awakening them in dire emergencies.