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I was just thinking of how things where before the heresy when we were at the pinnacle of our power, the weapons we had were so much more advanced then they are now and were made in vast numbers.
Under the leadership of the emperor and his sons whole systems of worlds fell one by one and man was the most powerful force in the universe
And we cant give the emperor all the cerdit as in that timeline he had great men and women under him as well as the marine commanders
Aslo our culture was far better back then with great invetors making wonders like the STC templates and ideas and innovations were welcomed were as now things have become stagnant with many leaders growing fat of other peoples pain and seem uncareing of the empire of man as a whole
Can we ever turn back the tide of choas as it seems like the way things are going we will lose in the long run, what we need is a strong leader like the emperor to lead us or maybe you can think or some needed changes that could see us return to our golden age?
Last edited by KOS-MOS; July 14th, 2006 at 01:00.
I'd say not.. It just doesn't strike me as the 40k theme.
'In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war.'
Quite frankly, I think the theme is better that way. For a number of reasons.
Am I the only one here who hates star trek. No really, I abseloutely loathe star trek. In Star Trek, technology solves problems. Oh no, there are invisible aliens attacking us! We'll just configure the quantum flux spectrometer so we can see them. Problem solved.
But really.. Is that good storytelling? You're just throwing a bunch of Deus Ex Machina at these characters, letting them bend the laws of physics a bit and the problem is solved. Technology has just become a lame facilitator to allow the plot writers to throw whatever idiotic scenario they want at us.
The tight control of technology in 40k means you actually have to think. You can't just spend three paragraphs describing the special non standard equipment all your marines have and how it makes them really cool and invincible, you have to think about other things. That's much, much more interesting to read about than a copy of Jane's Infantry Weapons which has been sent through a time warp to the future.
It's really hard to explain what 'gothic' means. Of course, everyone has their own interpretation. However, the essence of gothic literature, at least in my opinion, is that by focusing on the darkness you make everything else larger than life.
In 40k, millions of people suffer and die every day to make the Imperium work. Individuals are fed body and soul into the golden throne to keep their corpse-god alive. Commanders happily expend troops in numbers which would make the Battle of the Somme look like a picnic. People spend their entire lives physically wired to the same place, doing the same function over and over again.
But, by focusing on the futility and cheapness of human life, 40k makes it's real protagonists and heroes much more superhuman. If guardsmen were tooled up supergrunts like the dudes in starship troopers (the book) space marines, inquisitors and the like would just look like a 2.0 upgrade. As it is, they're like awesome invincible heroes standing bold in the face of the very possible destruction of the human race.
Now, I'm not saying having awesome invincible heroic protagonists is rare in sci fi. But it's quite rare to use the gothic, certainly to the extent that 40k does. That's pretty cool, and it wouldn't be there if humanity was kicking alien booty every day.
In short.. If humanity was winning, 40k would be just like Star Trek, or Star Wars, or the million and one other sci fi series where, ultimately, good and humanity will always win out because that's conventional fairy tale logic. I think that'd be a lot less interesting.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; July 14th, 2006 at 01:32.
I hate StarTrek too.
40k is 40k because of the hopelessness of the human situation. Our Emperor is a veggie, half of our spacemarines turned to evil 10 thousand years ago, and we forget how to make plasmaguns. The evil Xenos poking us from the outside, the heretical cults eating us from the inside. All the human lives that are lost are done so just so the Imperium will live. And it does so. Barely.
Also, if everything would go back to the setting of the Living Emperor, what would happen to the game? GW knows better than overpowering a race that much.
I'll go out on a wild goose chase here if you don't mind.
And they had a whole lot easier time back then than they do now. There weren't Tyranids or Tau or Necrons or giant black crusades back then. So it wouldn't make sense anymore if they suddenly won. And a whole lot of Warhammer 40k players would be ticked off.
Hey dont get me wrong, i like the why things the why they are now as far as the story gos.
Would i like to use some of the dark tech in my army or have the baneblade tank more available, yes i would.
I was just asking if it was possible that we could somehow win and if not now what would we need to do to get there.
Maybe get our heads out of the sand about new technology or maybe a change in leadership is needed?
If you can take over Terra and every planet in the Imperium, I'll support ya on the government thing. I agree with you about the technology though. I think that the High Lords think that if technology becomes readily available then people will see that the Emperor is not needed and such.
The Imperium is like the Church was in Medieval times. It kept people in the dark because it could. The only educated men were Lords and Priests who liked things the way they were because they could herd the mindless rabble of people to do their bidding. If people started becoming educated they began to realize they were being tricked. I feel this is why the High Lords keep technology hidden, They don't want people gaining a better understanding of anything and turn on them.
This most likely doesn't make sense, I've never really been good at getting my point across.