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This may have been discussed before, I've searched and found nothing recent.
I beleive that the Tyranids are on their second run through this Galaxy. I beleive that the tyranids were the Enslaver Plague that caused the C'Tan to go into hibernation.
The Old Ones created biological entities that had psychic abilities. The last ditch effort of the Old Ones to stem the growth of the C'Tan was to create a powerful being that could hit the C'Tan were it hurts. They made the Tyranid race to seek out and consume the life forces of the people of this galaxy until the C'Tan could no long feed. Worthy life forms would have their traits passed on to the Tyranid fighting force.
The Tyranids consumed most of the population of the Galaxy and since the psychic signature of our galaxy would have dropped significantly, they moved on to another galaxy(or left to hibernate until the psychic signature got high enough). Now the psychic signature has risen again they are drawn back to keep the C'Tan from regaining their full power.
The Tyranid Hive Fleets avoid necron worlds. This is to avoid direct conflict with the C'Tan, which would see a Hive Fleet as a buffet. This way they can remove the food supply of the C'Tan and over successive periods of Tyranid attack the C'Tan will starve to death or have to leave their mortal bodies and once again feed on the stars.
Now the C'Tan are trying to combat this by engineering species that have no or minimal psychic signatures. Like the Tau (as an example only). The plan is to make a lifeform they can feed off but that wont develop psychic signatures high enough to attract the Tyranids. This way they can stop the Old One's creation and build up a big enough powerbase to take on the 'Nids and consume their essence.
Sounds a bit cold blooded, but I guess the Old Ones were
Tyranids arenâ€™t Enslavers; in actual fact the Enslavers are indeed the Enslavers.
Enslavers are warp creatures like daemons who enter this galaxy via an unprotected Psyker who they pretty much turn inside out. They then enslave the world via their psychic powers, draw more Psykers and bring more Enslavers through the new â€śportalsâ€?.
Tyranids created by the Old Ones would make a lot of sense the party line of â€śtheyâ€™re from outside the Galaxyâ€? holds little meaning when we have little idea what Old One technology was capable of.
I like it. Although, where the Old ones are at the moment does peturb me.
An interesting theory.
Dark Lioness hit it..
The enslavers are a seperate race. They spend their 'larval' stage in the warp, then possess a psyker to move into the physical world for the next stage of their life cycle. They are so named because they have bizarre mind control abilities. They look like brains with tentacles and a small beak.Or it could just be that Tyranids are drawn to a world by psychic signals, and necron tomb worlds have pyramids and pylons which absorb warp energy. To the Tyranids, they probably appear as eerie dark holes.. best avoided.The Tyranid Hive Fleets avoid necron worlds. This is to avoid direct conflict with the C'Tan, which would see a Hive Fleet as a buffet.Some books.. Xenology for example.. have identified the Eldar gods (who were also worshipped by other ancient races, like the Hrud) as the old ones. If this is the case, they were devoured by the chaos gods, which explains their absence.I like it. Although, where the Old ones are at the moment does peturb me.
That may be a few authors going rogue. But still, it seems the old ones aren't being very effective any more.
I guess the big problem for me is that the Tyranids are eating the galaxy. They are going to keep eating until there's nothing left.. exactly as if the Old Ones had just left the C'tan to their own devices. There's essentially no difference. Both races want to scourge the galaxy of life.. If the old ones opposed the C'tan's plan to do that, it seems likely they'd oppose the Tyranids as well, if they were still alive to do so.
yea the Old Ones supposedly made most of the Races in our galaxy to oppose the C'Tan, they made Humans Eldar and Orks, (humans for their numbers and potential, Eldar for their expert use of Psyker powers, and Orks for their inbred cruelty and need to fight, also they have great psychic ability) so i highly doubt the Old Ones would make something to kill all of their creations, more likely the Nids' are just an extremely advanced race that grew powerful in their own galaxy and devoured all life, so they searched for another galaxy to feed on and so they found ours.
"A souls screams are merely their cries of thanks to the Chaos
"Horus was weak. Horus was a fool. He had the whole galaxy within his grasp and he let it slip away!" -Abbadon The Despoiler
The Kroot: You are what you eat.
Tyranids: YOU are what WE eat.
Though I doubt the Tyranids have a guiding intelligence he idea of the Old Ones having their own version of Exterminatus isnâ€™t all that implausible.
Think about itâ€¦
Starfire: Very, very good. What was your joyful thought?
Raven: You don't want to know...
Starfire: Oh, but I do... please tell me... what did you imagine?
Raven: You not talking.
Starfire: Oh... well then... I'm glad I can contribute...
Well, how plausible is it that The Outsider is the Hive Mind? o_0
That actually makes a lot of sense...
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Enslavers are, as said before, an entirely different warp entity not to be confused with the Tyranid Cortex leech which burrows into victim skulls and turns them into slaves to the Hive Mind.
The Tyranids are probably in the eighth or ninth run through the galaxy. It's not entirely implausible that several "chaos" incursions throughout history have been mistaken and were actually Tyranid hive fleets (albeit unevolved and quite weak ones, think scouts).
Also, tyranid DNA made its way into the galaxy a long time before Hive Fleet Behemoth. Genestealers of Ymgarl were around in the Space Hulk days! Then there's the Tiamat system which is very, very bad. Then, of course, there was Hive Fleet Collossus (poor zoats!). And then there was the major attacks of Behemoth, Kraken, and Leviathan, all of which are still around though Behemoth was reduced to almost nothing, Kraken is in quite a few splinter fleets, but much of Leviathan is intact eating orks (and giving the orks a good fight too!).
Tyranids are not enslavers for one good reasons: enslavers were only concerned with psykers and other sentients. Tyranids would have left nothing but lifeless hunks of rock as they devour everything in a planet's biosphere and mineral crust (interesting enough, only a small percentage of the sheer mass of a planet is used by a Hive Fleet--much of it is transported elsewhere).
Tyranid worlds avoid Necron worlds, true, but not every Necron Tomb World has a C'tan in it, so you can't really say that that the Tyranids only avoid the C'tan. If anything, I'd imagine the C'tan avoid Tyranids! The Shadow in the Warp does nasty things to psykers, so what would happen to a warp-allergic super being? Who knows, probably nothing, but eh.
The Tau do have a warp signature, it's just incredibly weak (I think, I keep reading contasting data), but the Tau could've been easily "engineered" to being nigh-incorruptable by Chaos by the same effect. And if the Necrons really did engineer the Tau, they did a horrible job at it as the Tau probably could find a way to wreck Necron phase tech.
Anyway, quite a few Tyranid players have voiced their dislike of the idea of the Tyranids being a ploy of the Old Ones or Necrons. Everything else in the 40k universe seems to revolve around those two and I think people just want to play their living tide of death as an unstoppable force of nature.
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So a metal, anti-psychic being lying dormant in a solar system sized sphere of metal is controlling this huge biological, psychically controlled threat to the galaxy.Originally Posted by The Salmon Thief
I dunno, it seems sketchy to me. What evidence is there?
EDIT: After looking around I've concluded I was mistaken and that there is no evidence the Outsider is actually inside a dyson sphere.
That said only think we know about the outsider is that it's insane, and that it may have something to do with the dyson sphere(s.) What gives the impression that it's the hive mind?
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; August 7th, 2006 at 22:17.
Ok, let's get it straight.
The C'tan and the warp don't mix. Simple as that. The Blackstone Fortresses have weapons which use pure warp for that EXACT REASON. There is no way the Outsider (Or any other C'tan for that matter) is the hive mind, due to the impossibilty of it using psychic powers or causing the psychic blackout thing the Nid's do...
AND the Outsider is HIDING inside the dyson sphere but its soon to emerge. Some of the Necrons seen in the EoT campaign were described as erratic, "as if being controlled by some insane god" or somesuch. Don't EVER expect any models/stats thought, for the Outsider OR the Dragon...
The four shall take their place amongst the stars,
Their legions ascendant, unstoppable as the night
A deadly shroud shall fall across the spirit
And the galaxy shall mourn.