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Ok, so I was reading through the index astartes, and I found a reference to an occourance where when a gene-seed is so mutated that the marines are no longer considered human, the inquisition / grey knights whipe em out (search flame falcons). So on the grounds of having some mutation, wouldnt it be possible for space marines to ally with Tau?
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Except, of course, the Inquisition and the Grey Knights destroyed the mutations. There is nothing that can hide from the Inquisition, much less the Grey Knights.
Your fluff premise is flawed to the root.
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The bigger issue is that even if the marines are mutated, they wouldn't suddenly love aliens after all those millenia of pure hatred. Just because the empire has cast them aside, doesn't mean their oath to serve the emperor and purge the xenos holds any less weight.
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well, for those of us who didnt see the first incorporation of this subject, it was in regards to a home-brew attatchment of marines for my tau (private use). The topic was originally strictly regarding modeling, but inevitably became a matter of fluffology.
"Except, of course, the Inquisition and the Grey Knights destroyed the mutations. There is nothing that can hide from the Inquisition, much less the Grey Knights.
Your fluff premise is flawed to the root."
Personally, I think being a mod has gone to your head, as your post seems a bit harsh, but thats just me.
In regards to the fluff, one would have to assume that a) the marines know thier mutation is grounds for excommunicus, b) already be in Tau space, and c) deduce the fact that a makeshift alliance with tau will atleast buy them time against the inquisition.
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own!"
A marine would never wilingly ally with a alien, even if it would 'save' them. The only exception have been in wars like the Black Crussades where the Eldar and Imperial Forces fought side by side. And the marines didn't like it.
If they was positioned in Tau space then they would capture a planet (an entire chapter of SMs is not something to be messed with) and just hod it and fight there until they are all dead. A Chapter who would ally with xenos and thus giving up their oaths to the Emperor is somethign that would never happend.
Thats not only unnecesary, but (mostly) untrue; its Phobos very accurate opinion on the topic. Though there are some things that can hide from the inquisition and the grey knights, there just isn't to much that can.Originally Posted by otahakMany marines often see mutations as gifts bestowed upon them by the emperor, look at the flame falcons and soul drinkers; both cases were clear signs of mutations but the marines thought they were blessed.Originally Posted by otahak
A makeshift alliance with the tau would probably look something like this: use the tau to help the chapter, kill the tau when they have served their purpose, move on doing the emperors work.
Chapters that fall from the imperium still have their innate training to despise aliens, even their traitor counterparts do and its just as rare for them to ally with aliens as it is for loyalist marines. (Hence where the root flaw comes from.)
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Or maybe, instead of spending their lives bowing and scraping to a bunch of spoiled, autocratic cow-people who will use them as cannon fodder, they could join chaos, where their mutations would be considered gifts of the gods, and they could spend eternity being celebrated and worshipped.
Seriously, what could the Tau offer marines?
RAILGUNS!!!Originally Posted by The_Giant_Mantis
I doubt that the mariens would join the Tau... If you were taught from birth to hate someone to the point where you would not hesitate to stab them in the face, I doubt you would ever fight side by side with them. However, I see no reason to use some space marines with your Tau army, in freindly games at home, just don't try to do it at a tourny.. I dont think the other people would like that.
I do get a kick out of people who have accepted the inflexibility of the Imperium as equalling the infallibilty of the Imperium. GW has pointed out time and again how fallible various parts of the Imperial Forces are. I have no doubt that Inquisitors and Grey Knights are unparalleled in their doggedness and willingness to carry on a hunt for years but, I'm less than confident that they are 100% successful. They hate the forces of chaos with an unparalleled passion yet haven't been successful in destroying them in 10, 000 years. The Dark Angels are possibly more rabid in their passion for destroying the Fallen Angels and are equally unsuccessful.
One also has to ask how much the novels that GW has contracted are a part of the official fluff. I'm still reading the third of the Soul Drinkers novels so I obviously don't know the outcome but they are currently allied with a xenos species. They are uncomfortable with it but they are doing it. If marines that are psycho-indoctrinated to hate xenos can do this, marines that are not indoctrinated should have less difficulty with the issue. New recruits to the chapter are not psycho indoctrinated so it IS a reasonable assumption that with a history of temporary alliances a chapter that is not undergoing the psycho-indoctrination could conceivably make an alliance of mutual benefit.
(I'm merely interjecting this point as I don't want someone to spill the beans as to the result of the novel that I am in the midst of while trying to counter my points. When I've finished, I'll come back to see how this discussion played out.)
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As has been said many times, BL books arn't part of the fluff. A possible version of events, but many of them are contradictory.
And new recruits ARE psycho-doctrinated.