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we all know there are alot of craftowrlds out there in the 40k galaxy. i have some questions.
how many eldar citizens are in each craftworld roughly? i know they will vary alot, for example Ulthwe would have more citizens than that of iynden.
how big are craftworlds? like the size of terra? the size of a big asteroid???? how big are they?
The size and population of the craftworlds is unknown or varying greatly. Each craftworld is supposedly the size of a small planet and houses a planet full of eldar.
Craftworlds are big, but thats obvious, though there size and capacity are very much a mystery for the most part.
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There's a pic of one at the top there. not sure if that helps but it'll give you a rough idea of the layout and sort of the size.
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Most Craftworld would probably contain millions of Eldar. Altough it depends on the size of it and it varies a lot as well.
A guy that calls himself Magelord have done a fanart of Saim-Hann (not completed though) and it's size is, well, a Voidstalker battleship is around 3-4mm long next to it (they are around 5-7km otherwise). Of course this isn't official but is as close as it gets really.
Yeah, the Eldar craftworlds are meant to be pretty huge. I'd say millions of Eldar in each plus attendant fleet.
One rough idea of how big they are is regading their weaponry. They are meant to have a gun onboard, similar to a nova cannon but bigger, that they use to blast small planetoids out of the path of the Craftworld! Thats gotta be a prety big gun. They are also meant to tow a webway gate that is big enough to allow entire Eldar Starships to enter the webway. You need a pretty big ship to mount that sort of stuff onboard.
Craftworld sizes have not even been consistent in the fluff. I seem to remember reading one source that claimed a craftworld in Battlefleet Gothic would take up the entire table, and yet later in Battlefleet Gothic Magazine there was an article about making a Craftworld (Iyanden I think) was not terribly larger than a large battleship. It's just not known how big they are.
One thing to keep in mind though- even if they house a planet's worth of people, that doesn't mean they are the size of a planet. Even in the 40K universe a planet only houses people on its surface- the inner cores are unsuitible for tunnelling. A Craftworld can house people all throughout it, so more of its volume can be utilized. So it can be much smaller than a planet and still house the same number of people. On the other hand, much of the 2nd edition fluff implied large sections of most craftworlds have gone into disuse as the population has shrunk. My favorite piece of Eldar art is an old 2nd Ed picture of a Dire Avenger patrolling a craftworld hallway filled with cobwebs.
Indeed. But you have to take into the calculation the massive engines, power sources, the hundreds of space docks, huge gardens filled with greenlife, forrests, animals, lakes and much more, training facilities with simulation decks, construction facilities of all kinds of things, food storages (probably including some kind of farms), navigation decks used for controlling the Craftworld, warrooms where the armies are directed, the heart of the Infinity Circuit and much, mcuh more.Originally Posted by JOHIRA
Craftworlds are entire planets combined with a factory-complex and a spaceship...
Here's that picture by the way.
It shows what Magelord have finished, but he have done rough sketch of how the enitre Craftworld will look like and it's some twice the size of this. Of course, it's unofficial but he have done some really serious resarch on this and made it so close to being official as you can.
The small ships are a Voidstalker and two Wraithships.
I don't like either of those pictures myself.. they look too organized, like an actual spaceship. Certainly in the older fluff, the craftworlds were often formed from entire fleets of spacecraft 'grown' together with wraithbone and expanded on over time. For this reason, I always imagined them as huge, chaotic constructions which had grown up almost organically over thousands of years. Those look far too clean and neat.
On the size.. I think planet sized is pushing it. I don't care how much extra stuff you need to fit in. Think of the internal mass of the earth converted into urbanscape.. That's a truly enormous, ridiculous ammount of space, not to mention the gravity such an object would create on itself. Make no mistake, craftworlds are massive, far bigger than any other starship ever created, but not quite at planet scale. I'd imagine in a game of Battlefleet gothic scale, one might be a good few meters in diameter..
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; August 25th, 2006 at 21:01.
Well, you have to remember that the Eldar are a very organized people. Their architecture is organized as well so I would imagine that even though they started out in the way you mentioned, they have grown into what the picture depicts over thousands of years.
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That's the old fluff. Nowdays the Craftworlds are like enormous spaceships. If I just could find those pictures I'm looking for (one is on Biel-tan which is really a long and round thing, not spherical but more convex and with two huge sails at the end. Official.). Then there's one on Iyanden (by Blanche) which is less ship-like but not 'chaotic'-like, much more organised.Originally Posted by The_Giant_Mantis
I also belive that during these 10 000 years the Bonesingers have 're-shaped' the attached ships to make the Craftworld more ship-like. Eldar are very artistic after all and I don't want to think of the Craftworls as 'Eldar Hulks'.
Of course, saying that they are the size of Earth or even smaller (Mars or something) it would be an extremly ridicolous exageration. I think the size of the moon is max size and then I think I'm pushing it.
I remember that article on how to use Craftworlds in conventional games. It was ridicolus and was expunged as non-official if I remember correctly.