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Simply said, would it be possible to travel the vastness of space to other galaxies in the Warp?
The Warp is stated to have come into existance when the universe was created and there are examples of creatures crossing the emptiness to other galaxies (Tyranids).
So, let's say I was this lovely little Aspiring Champion with my own lovely little spaceship, would I be able to travel to another galaxy?
As we know time is very diffrent in the Warp so the prospect of aging is no a big problem and the only real problem I would see is fuel, proviants, slaves to fight when bored etc.
Directions of travel might be an issue but if I have the favour of my God/Gods then that would be ok to maybe? Or does the Chaos Gods only have power in our galaxy?
What do you think?
Theoretically.. I don't see why not. In reality, it's never happened, and there must be a reason for that.
It might just be that it's too dangerous.. the warp is a dangerous place, and, although there's no such thing as space and time in the truest sense, trying to jump the impossible distances between galaxies could just be abseloutely suicidal to the point where noone has ever tried it.
GW has never really explained.. but suffice to say, the fact that noone has ever done it seems like pretty good evidence to me that it's either impossible or so difficult as to be effectively suicide.
The Tyranids apparently made the whole journey in real space, over millions, perhaps even billions of years. Some fluff sources suggest they only even evolved warp travel upon reaching the 40k galaxy.
Besides, what would be the point? Chaos space marines aren't off to discover strange new worlds, they're there to pursue a 10,000 year old blood feud.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; August 30th, 2006 at 15:00.
It's possible yes, but noone's really willing to waste the time and resources to pull it off. That's why the only way it ever is done is by space hulks.
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Itâ€™s simple to explain why the Imperials donâ€™t travel to other galaxies: the Astronomican. The only way Imperial Navigators can orientate themselves in the Warp is by using the light of the Astronomican as a reference point, and since this psychic light only reaches about as far as the galaxy edge it would pretty much be suicide to travel in the warp beyond its reach â€“ you wouldnâ€™t know if you were going in circles, in which direction you were moving, or if you were even moving at all!
However, it is possible to use warp travel without the help of Navigators; before the Astronomican was created, humanity travelled through the warp by use of calculated jumps spanning only a few light years; youâ€™d make measurements of the warp, have a computer calculate your course, hop in and hop out â€“ however, without Navigators you had no ability to see changes in warp currents while you were emerged in the warp yourself, meaning that you might reappear in the physical universe in the wrong spot, or perhaps not at all. The longer the warp jump, the bigger the risk of having the currents change on you and leave you lost or stranded in the warp, which is why five to ten light years were considered the safe maximum distance for calculated jumps.
However, considering that the closest galaxy to ours, the Andromeda, is two million light years away, you can imagine the time it would take to get there by making a series of five-year jumps, not to mention the fuel reserves that would be needed. Even if time passes differently in the warp, you'd still have to drop out of it to see where you were and then spend time preparing for a new jump, a lengthy procedure.
As for Chaos, thatâ€™s a slightly different discussion, because they of course do not use the Astronomican for navigation. They do, however, use the help of their Daemon allies in the warp to show them the way, and there has been many discussions on whether itâ€™s actually possible for Daemons to travel between galaxies â€“ personally, Iâ€™m with those who say that they canâ€™t because the sentient emotions that nourish them in our galaxy are obviously lacking in the void of deep space; a Daemon trying to cross between galaxies would gradually lose its powers without being able to replenish them, and dissipate into nothingness.
I personally believe that species using warp travel would not be able to go beyond our own galaxy. We know that Tyranids came from another galaxy, travelling in real-space and hibernating on their way here, and that Orks might also have spread due to their ability to travel as spores. Necrons we donâ€™t know about, but since theyâ€™re the only species to have invented true faster-than-light travel they might have gone to another galaxy using that â€“ then again, the Câ€™tan did go into hibernation after the Enslaver Plague to await the creation of life again; even if their faster-than-light travel was only barely faster than light itself, it would have taken them only two millions years to reach the Andromeda, opposed to the 60 million years in stasis that they did choose. However, this might of course also simply indicate that thereâ€™s nothing interesting in the Andromeda for them to go there after, no intelligent life for the Câ€™tan to eat. Perhaps the Tyranids have already been there.
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Seems feasible to me. But just save some time and get an Infinite Improbablity Drive. :tongue:
Yeah I know about the Astronomican and how it was impossible for normal Humans.
I read a quote by mantis in anotehr thread (the one about Chaos Gods I think) where it said that when the Old Ones traveled in the Warp they managed to find certain spots linked to places in all over the material universe, which implies it means otehr galaxies as well.Didn't know that. Could you point them out to me?The Tyranids apparently made the whole journey in real space, over millions, perhaps even billions of years. Some fluff sources suggest they only even evolved warp travel upon reaching the 40k galaxy.
I agree it would probably be kind of pointless, just thought if anyone had further thoughts on it and if it was possible.
Actually.. now I think back, I've never actually read those sources myself. I remember arguing the contrary point on this forum, and being put down by several people who cited other sources. So I just believed them.Originally Posted by Da Mighty Camel
Who knows then.. I'm getting flaky in my old age.
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It might be in the latest Tyranid 'dex.
haha, well i happen to own the Tyranid codex and according to it the Nids' didnt actually use warp travel to get here, it was all done in real-space and they went into a deep hibernation so that they could travel between galaxies, and one theory as to the Old Ones dissapearence is that they left for another galaxy, which, if true, goes to say that it would be possible with enough technological advantages to travel between galaxies.
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Well with my limited knowledge of the warp I've come up with a theori: When you travel in the warp time goes faster or slower than in real space (that is facts), so we say that it goes faster than real space if you would try to go to another galaxy you would get there faster than in real space. But for the poor people on the ship time would go in normal speed so they would die of old age before the got even half to say Andromeda even thou they would only be gone for maybe 5 years in real space. So the only way I can think to get to another galaxy would be to make some kind of jump or jumps, it seems impossible to do it any other way.
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