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    Tyranids against the Necrons

    If the Necrons and Tyranids engaged in battle and the Tyranids won, they really wouldn't get a tasty meal because the necrons are technically dead yea? and the tyranids eat living matter right? so if bugs won, they wouldn't get anything out of it like they would when they kill IG or something like that? Or am I wrong?

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    Tyranids would not get sustainance or new genetic material from defeating Necrons, that's true. Depending on if the battle took place on a harvestable planet or on a Necron Tomb World there may be something to be gained from the planet itself. In my opinion, this is why the fluff mentions Tyranids avoiding Tomb Worlds- they know there's nothing to consume there.

    However, in the extreme long term, if Tyranids could manage to destroy a Tomb World, it would probably be beneficial in that it would set the Necrons back

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    Actually necrons and tyranids have no reason to fight. Necrons cant take a soul/life essance from a creature that is basically an arm to the hive mind and, as you said, tyranids cant eat living metal. Even if they could at the end of battle the living metal would "misteriously dissapear" anyway. Since both need different substances which can be gained from the same target they should and logically would work together. Both tyranids and necrons can get what they need without the other party loosing anything.

    The only explaination that I can come up with is that nids where in someone way created by the old ones that crons hate so very much.

    Actually by not working together they are loosing a lot more than they gain in that they both destroy armies and discard what the other wants. Not to mention there pointless battles against on another which expend valuable resourses.

    Games workshop should clear this issue up in there next version of the codex because at this points it simply doesnt make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spasticinformation
    Necrons cant take a soul/life essance from a creature that is basically an arm to the hive mind and,
    Please tell me what background piece you read that in?

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    There was a small bit of information in one of the yranid or Space Marine codex's. It said how the Tyranid Hive Fleets would avoid Necron Tomb Worlds when they were attacking the Imperium.

    Most Necron Tomb Worlds are completely desolate of life. Tyranids need to consume bio-protien to sustain their own life, so it would make no sense at all to attack Necrons or the Tomb Worlds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JOHIRA
    Please tell me what background piece you read that in?
    I don’t think he actually read that in any background piece, because for one the C'tan don’t actually consume souls like Daemons do; they’re nourished by bioelectricity generated by living bodies. However, it is said in the Necron Codex that the C’tan do prefer to live off sentient (intelligent) creatures, which the Tyranids are not really. It’s not that they’re mindless, it’s just that they can’t quite comprehend the horror of the C’tan and so are quite boring to snack on – C’tan like fear and awe in their victims, apparently it makes them more flavourful. Also, the Hive Mind dispels the C’tan with its powerful psychic emissions, and so C’tan prefer not to go too near Tyranid Hive Fleets.

    Tyranids, on the other hand, would not benefit from attacking the Necrons either – not only can’t they eat the Necron metals and alloys, but the C’tan also tend to surround themselves with anti-psychic disruptors such as Pylons and Pariahs to avoid the warp powers that are anathema to them. Tyranids moving too close to a C’tan would end up being cut off from the Hive Mind and lose all unit coherencies, making easy targets for the Necron warriors.

    I believe the Necrons and the Tyranids have a healthy respect for each other and generally tend to stay out of each other’s way – they will fight if necessary, say if a raiding party of Necrons happened to run into a raiding party of Tyranids and neither side wanted to give up their harvest of victims, but they wouldn’t deliberately go after each other unless competition for food got really heated, and even then the C’tan might simply just decide to go back into hibernation another 60 million years and wait for life to evolve once again.

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    It has been suggested that Tyranid Fleets avoid Necron Tomb Worlds not only because the are frequently devoid of life, but also because of the effects of the "Great Work" of the C'Tan.
    The Tyranids are highly psychic creatures and their gestalt consciousness is severely disrupted (if not entirely severed) in the Necrons' realspace.

    For an extreme case of this, refer to the massive detour the Devourer's fleets are taking around the Dyson Sphere of The Outsider as they travel up through the galactic plane.

    I would think that Necrons would have a vested interest in destroying the Great Devourer because of a.) the Necrons' abhorrence of all life, b.) the Devourer's appetite destroying the sentients that the C'Tan would prefer for themselves, and c.) because the Hive Mind agitates the Warp that the Necrons are working to dispose of/destroy/nullfiy/mitigate.

    The Devourer, on the other hand, wouldn't get anything from the Necrons and would probably avoid them entirely unless otherwise provoked.


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    Tyranids will attack Necrons because Tyranids will attack anything that moves. Tyranids also make use of inorganic materials such as the metals of the Necrons bodies. It's also likely the pychic presence of a Tyranid hive fleet would ruin the C'tans attempts to deal with warpspace. This is likely because the Tyranids control over warpspace is stronger and they use it in a way the C'tan and nobody else has knowledge of.

    Would Tyranids actually seek out Necrons, I think that is unlikely. Tyranids will move on planets because of obvious biological resources. They find these with warp capable scout drones which inspect planetary systems for edible worlds. Superficially there is no life on a Tomb world so the scout drones would move on leaving no vanguard organisims to attract a Hive fleet.
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    Necrons (the C'Tan) do not "feed" on the souls of the fallen, that is left to the Chaos Gods, neither do they feed on the bio/organic compounds of their victims... the C'Tan feed on LIFE itself, Hence they would'nt really get anything out of killing the other... and besides, they probably wouldn't stand being in close proximity with eachother, as the Necrons despise all Psychic energies and the Tyranids are controlled by the Hive Mind's psychic link to them. So they would kill each other out of each others inabilty to reason that it is a fruitless action (and or their obvious lack of diplomacy) if they happened to get in eachothers way, but they wouldn't ever go out of their way to attack one another.

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    Leech:

    Necrons phase out when their bodies become too damaged for their own repair systems to compensate...so even if say a necron warrior got eaten the hive mind would never get the chance to subsume the necrons material(provided they can) because it would all be teleported away shortly after it started getting digested, if not before.

    Also, I think that if the tyranid threat were to reach a critical limit and the nids were threatening to devour all life in the galaxy the c'tan would have little choice but to add their forces to the resistance. Peopel forget, the last time that happened to the galaxy the necrons had the luxury of hibernation because they had all stored up enough energy to be able to sleep away the millenia, and even then, some barely made it (Nightbringer as an example.) However this time they have not had nearly as much time to stock up on the foodstuff's, and so they likely don't have the luxury of just hibernating.

    So if life in the galaxy starts to go south, the necrons don't have a whole lot of chocie but to fight back. That or the c'tan can abandon the necrons all together and just transmute back into their star-eating froms and exist like that for the rest of time. But considering their power and more importantly, their pride, I doubt that is what would happen.
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