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The codex says Librarians are used to probe the minds of potential Neophytes to test for the taint of corruption. Iron Hands hate corruption as it's a sign of weakness. But at the same time I see the Iron Hands as being anti-Librarian as they are anti-heretic to a psychotic extent.
So, I was wondering would they be for or against Librarians.
And now it hits me that they might have a mechine based librarian. A kind of machine used to do the same thing as librarians, but completely free of the taint of chaos. And now I'm starting to get ideas for a model. And as for failing psychic tests it could be seen as the machine breaking down from trying too hard. MUHAHAHAHAHA idea!!!!
But back to the question at hand, Iron Hands; pro- or anti-librarian?
Last edited by archonofdeath; September 18th, 2006 at 20:49.
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Well, let's see.
It's illegal for them to take a Commander.
Some are saying it's unfluffy/confused about it being illegal to take a Chaplain.
Now we're onto removing the Librarians from Codex: Iron Hands.
Techmarines aren't that good.
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Lol, well said <E!_Mance>.
I'd think they'd be against Librarians. The weakness thing sounds about right to me archon. The machine librarian sounds a little off, don't you think?
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The Iron Hands â€“ and I assume that you do mean the Iron Hands and not the Iron Warriors as you accidentally (?) mentioned once â€“ do apparently have Librarians, even if they arenâ€™t mentioned that frequently in the Chapterâ€™s fluff. However, their Index Astartes article mentions them once, so they must exist â€“ if theyâ€™re ever given command of their own Company or parts thereof is an entirely different matter, though.
Unfortunately, I havenâ€™t got my copy of the Black Library novel â€˜Iron Handsâ€™ with me at the moment, but when I get home I will have a look in it to see if Librarians are mentioned there â€“ I do believe they are.
As for making Librarians based on machines, I donâ€™t think thatâ€™s possible; psykers need plenty of willpower and faith to control their abilities and stay uncorrupted, and while a machine might be strong in body it is definitely not strong in mind to the same degree that a human being can be.
For that matter, I donâ€™t believe itâ€™s possible to construct a machine thatâ€™s actually psychic â€“ psychically conductive or reactive, yes, but not a psyker in itself; for that you need a human brain. Besides, even if the Iron Hands are curiously technophile, even they couldnâ€™t circumvent the Imperiumâ€™s ban on artificial intelligence, which would definitely be needed to construct a psychic machine capable of performing the same spells as a Librarian.
So Iâ€™d say they do have Librarians, if only per necessity.
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*thumbs through cherished tome* here it is...and i quote:
"Standing between the hulking war and another on the side was a Space Marine in adapted Terminator armor, lightning sparking in the shadows cast by the two dreadnoughts. As Gdolkin looked he thought he saw the Librarian's eyes flash and a nimbus of eldritch energy play about the ciruit-inlaid hood surrounding his head."
This is at the meeting between Gdolkin and the governing body of the Iron Hands, so obviously there is a Librarian of some importance. It is later revealed that his name is Madaeus, and it is he who briefs the council on the situation. I believe that Librarians are very important, at least from Madaeus's appearance, because he also has a suit of Terminator Armor, a very rare and venerated thing for the Iron Hands. This hints at Librarians being very rare as well, and thus worth protecting with better armor. I think that there aren't Chaplains in the Iron Hands and maybe not Commanders, but only because the Iron-Fathers fufill both of those roles, at least fluffwise, and due to their belief that their bodies are unpure and not so much their minds/souls that Librarians aren't needed as much, though they are there.
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I would put forth that pretty much all of the (pardon the term) 'normal' Chapters maintain a Librarium Corps. Some chapters, however, embrace the Psyker more than others. (ref. Blood Ravens) Even the Dark Angels have psykers now.
I would think that a Chapter like the Iron Hands, which is very much grounded in the 'real' would be distrustful of what is basically magic that cannot be reproduced or improved-upon by a machine.
Moreso, I would think that seeing as the Iron Hands are further divided into mini-Chapter-esque Clan Companies, there would not be many Librarians because Librarian Novices need to be trained by other Librarians. This would be statistically difficult when your Clan Company only has a hundred men
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As inquisitor demonstrates.. 'machine empathy' is a common psychic ability. Iron Hands librarians may well find their abilities highly useful in terms of utilizing and repairing their bionics, getting machines starting again and doing other Iron Hands style things. It's not all magic missiles and eye of newt.That's true of all chapters though.. A chapter's Librarium is always independent of the companies, so they wouldn't have the problem of being split up between them.Originally Posted by Quick
It is possible. The thing is, he must be human from the start, and retain some "humanity" to still be psychic. Why not entomb a Librarian in a Dread? Too much cheese in the beard?
If you are making him mostly "machine", keep his head and brain as human as possible. And maybe heart too, for coolness reasons. In 40k, a person needs a soul to be a psyker. So he must be living.
I'll go out on a wild goose chase here if you don't mind.