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I just typed in a long post to a thread.
Lost the text because the thread was too old.
Starting over... sigh... grumble...
The thread was about which army would win out in the end.
A number of posts suggested that the Necrons will be the final victor assumably for two reason.
1. They can 're-build' themselves.
2. They 'live' forever.
This got me thinking...
Do I understand the back story on the Necrons properly?
The Necrons are an ancient alien race that was 'necronized' into a robotic-zombie like force. As you 'beat them down' on the battlefield they 'break down' and if you have a 're-animator' on the field they can be 're-animated'. If you 'beat them down' enough they will eventually 'disappear'assumably to fight another day.
So if I understand this correctly the Necrons are a finite entity in the 40K universe. Unlike the 'fleshy' races they have no opportunity for recruitment or expansion. Their numbers only drop temporarily until they can return to the battlefield and 're-animate' their buddies back. So if this is true then technically ANY 'fleshy' race has the upper hand at 'dominating' the Necrons. All they have to do is produce enough individuals (oh lets say a trillion times a trillion aught to do) to lay on the 'beat down to end all beat downs' on all units, 're-animators', 'funky pyramids', 'spider thingies', 'whatever' until they reach 25% and they 'disappear' and when they come back 'beat them down' another 25% and keep doing that until there's only one left and assumably if you try to destroy it when it reaches 25% it will 'disappear' and come back so you find a way to take it's weapon away and contain it. Thus 'defeating' the Necrons until that one figures out how to escape and 're-animate' its buddies or every last 'fleshy' has lived out its life and died a happy death of natural causes. Thus allowing the 'last' necron to declare itself the victor.... wait a minute... I... ... maybe that's what they ment. (Hanging head)
So the true question is:
Is this senario at all possible?
Do I have a very poor understanding of how the Necrons 'operate'?
(I know I've put a lot of stuff in quotes but I'm new an don't know if I'm correct or even accurate using certain terminologies for things)
Last edited by cigar; September 6th, 2006 at 02:49.
ok where do i start
the necrons have an HUGE army that is waking up after the first harvest, they almost removed all life million years ago and they went into stasis to let the "fleshy" races recover for the next harvest.
if they all are awake they would probably be larger in numbers then the imperium (there are no actual numbes of necrons where i know of)
(oh lets say a trillion times a trillion aught to do) yes that could be enough but how are you going to coordinate such an attack, it would probably span an subsector or 3:wacko:
"I could calculate your chance of survival, but you won't like it."
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theay all have theare own self repaing systems another is ... hm now u got me thinking ...
i dislike u. thats very confusing.................
The queastion here is regardless of victories or defeats, regardless of time or any other variables, the necrons, only haveing a finite number of mechanicle footsloggers, will eventually die out because races that self reproduce gain numbers, while the necrons always stay the same and go lower.
The only real way that necrons could actually win is via Pariahs, which are drawn from the fleshy races. Unless of course there's like.. a necron mold and cast company constantly pumping these babies out....and filling the bodies with souls?
so unless the necrons hope to get ALOT OF PARIAHS!!! then there is no way they can last out among the other races.
(i would say the orks would last out longest, seeing that every planet that even one of them steps on is covered with spores)
first all "necrons" can self repair to a point once beoned that point they phase out to a factore to by repair fully to fight again
yes fluff wise they do have a way to make their armies bigger because of parhas
Thanks guys. I read a part of their codex about a month ago and thought I understood how they basically operated and that senario (hunting them ceaselessly so they can't regenerate), although almost impossible didn't seem improbable.
Sorry rocket man if knowing they have huge but finite numbers makes them seem less formidable.
So does aquiring one Pariah increase their ranks by one?
Well...Originally Posted by AlbinoAlien
Pariahs don't have souls. That's the idea. So you could eventually see a matrix-like Pariah Generator with lots of little unconverted Pariahs waiting for the C'tan to eat their energy and send their Soulless shells out to kill stuff.
And don't forget- Just because the last time the C'tan canverted an entire race into Necrons was a long time ago, doesn't mean they couldn't do it again. My bet is on the Tau. I mean, there are already abundant fluff hints that the Tau have seen outside, non-psychic insluences.
However, all of these things take lots of time, effort, and delicate plans, whereas Orks just multiply incessantly and then beat on stuff. I think Orks would win the domination game simply by overwhelming strength. the fact that more fighting makes them tougher doesn't hurt either...
Ok, this might sound werid but, Necrons never die. WHen they fail they're WWB roll or phase out, all they do is go back to the tombs. Unless you destroy all their tombs, they cannot uhh.... die.Originally Posted by AlbinoAlien
Well if my understanding of the fluff is right the old ones designed the ork's predicesors aroud this very principal. Orks where designed to beat them down in exactly this type of battle of attrition. . . then when the $#!^ hit the fan. . . orks kinda went out of controll & ended up fighting everything (mostly theirselves) rather than focusing their efforts on the Necrons.
So I would say that it is theoredically possable. . . but it takes a lot: first you have to identify the tomb worlds (most of wich are on dead rocks that outnumber the habitable planets in staggering proportions, and therefor are brushed over and ignored by the imperium.) Then you have to defeat their forces and destory their tombs. Supposidly the Imperium has acutally gotten a few tomb worlds this way, but they're just a drop in the bucked compared to how many potentially exist.
So could the imperium of man actually pull this off? Probably, but it would take a long time( & also require some of the imperuim's other enemies to give them a break). . . and assuming that the Necron don't have a new sorce of troops. . .
It's also just as likely that they can't do it fast enough if the Necron could wake up in sufficient numbers to take over the imperium and make the majority of humanity their slaves.
As always the imperium shall teater on the brink of destruction.
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Your right about the Tau. The reason why commander Farsight whent rogue was because all of the etherals that were on his campaghin were killed by necrons in combat. SOOOO im guessing the deciever sorta knew about th etherals ability to control...Originally Posted by Orkrontyr