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Here is some basic, beginning fluff for my in-the-very-slow-works Imperial Guard force. Thoughts appreciated ... keep in mind all of this is still rough and in the "thinking about" stage, so there isn't quite as much and it isn't quite in the format(s) that I want it to be in:
S.P.E.C.T.R.E. - Special Operations, Tactical Response and Evacuation Force.
- Drop Troops - SPECTRE uses grav-chutes, ziplines, tunnels, and other means of 'dropping' behind enemy lines to gain access to vital battlefield positions.
- Close Order Drill - SPECTRE is trained in squad-based tactics, relying much less on generals and more on eachother than most other armies.
- Light Infantry - SPECTRE also trains in extensive stealth roles, and are able to send units forward, behind enemy lines, without notice in order to collect intelligence.
- Sharpshooters - SPECTRE is a force that actively involves itself in civilian evacuation on many worlds, and so must take care where their shots are placed.
- Special Weapons Squads - SPECTRE is sometimes called upon to destroy vital strongpoints that the enemy controls and also employ many long riflemen to take out key individuals.
- SPECTRE is the military force on a small planet called Sanctuary.
- Military service is required, as the only reason they are settled on the planet Sanctuary is for military training.
- Women are not allowed to take active battlefield roles, but work behind the scenes as intelligence analysts.
- SPECTRE trains extensively in stealth, shooting, grav-chuting (or ziplining), demolitions, and other specialised battlefield roles. They are employed for quick hit-and-run missions and for taking the enemy by surprise, or to quickly evacuate Imperial citizens from planets about to be run over by the enemy or destroyed.
- SPECTRE makes little to no use of vehicles - they only rely on Sentinels for their heaviest of support.
Again, these are all very basic ideas... comments and suggestions welcome, and all that jazz. Just wanted to get my ideas out of my head.
Sounds like a solid idea Nemesis. I like the whole SWAT/SAS/Special Forces/etc. idea you have going here. And your Doctrines reflect this well.
One question though, why aren't women allowed to take active roles? It's just a question, and should by no means be confused with a sexist accusation. It is merely a query to help "Flesh Out" the fluff.
I also like the almost Pure Infantry loadout. I myself dislike vehicles beyond using Dreadnoughts, etc.
Keep up the good ideas,
That is a fantastic idea. The whole special ops is very appealing aspect.
A few questions with how they fit into the Imperial Machine??
How does Sanctuary rise it tithe? is it the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. forces? Or is Sanctuary really an Imperial Garrison World dedicated to the training of this elite unit, using standing agreements with the Schola Progmentium for the continuation of the facility?
Is the outfit a large regiment or smaller battalion/company sized forces so the Guard can make use of their unique talents in multiple theaters? Are they requested or seconded?
With the detailed threat assessment required to determine worthy targets for S.P.E.C.T.R.E. are their officers at the highest levels of Imperial Administration?? Or is the commanding officer a dutiful servant who receives his orders and carries them out to the letter without ever knowing? How many friends has the regiment won and lost with the various missions undertaken...??
Wish to hear more....
oh what models will you be using..??
+Rep to you Origin. Your post is quite thought provoking and ultimately, helpful to fleshing out Creative Fluff. You obviously have a keen interest in and a fair deal of Fluff knowledge, as those questions ask about things a lot of people don't even consider.
Nemesis. Does S.P.E.C.T.R.E. deal in a specific type of enemy? Who do they most commonly face? And like Origin said, what models will represent your forces? It seems like your army will look like a pure Kasrkin(sp?) list in terms of looks (Kasrkin are the elite, yeah?)
Keep it up,
I think what you are suggesting is good. I always like the idea of highly trained elite strike forces. There are a few things I would bring up though:
- It might be a good idea to differentiate between the normal "compulsary" military and the elite SPECTRE force. I just don't see everyone who joins the military as being able to operate in an special forces capacity - they are special forces after all.
- Is the planet solely for military training? If so the entire military force being SPECTRE is more feasible, as you can say only to best are sent there to train. If the planet is populated by civilains etc, with children who grow up into compulsary military service, it will be harder to justify the "everyone is elite" thing.
- In relation to the above points, how big is SPECTRE? Is it a regiment sized organisation or something smaller?
I suppose these points are really just variations around a theme. I really like the idea so far; I think it will provide a strong foundation to be built upon. You should bulk out what you have with more details on the planets geography/populace/government and the organisation of SPECTRE itself. Post up any stuff you write - I would like to read more about SPECTRE.
Good luck mate, hope I helped.
Pretty simple, really - the same reason current Special Operations forces in the world today don't allow women in their units. Women are less physically able than men (it's true, this isn't a sexist comment) and so would hinder the force, as a whole. However, women think in a more logical way, and so are (generally speaking) better at math and sciences, which is a perfect role for them in a military situation - analyzing intelligence, etc. The creators of SPECTRE want the most able force available, and so restrict the active membership.Originally Posted by X-Slash-XThat's a very good question, and another one of those things that I haven't thought through yet. I do like your idea with the Garrison World, as it would make perfect sense, really - they are purely a military world, and have no other valuable assets like mines, agriculture, etc. So, the fact that they are an Imperial Garrison (albeit a slightly smaller-than-normal one) definitely would fit in really well. Thanks for that!Originally Posted by OriginGenerally, they will be in the smaller battalion/company sized forces. This is because their missions are usually smaller-scale, one-time ones - they must secure this LZ to evacuate hostages/civilians, or they must destroy this location and then get out of there, etc. They get in, get an objective done, and do their utmost best to get back out. They aren't meant for long-term engagements.Originally Posted by Origin
The force itself is similar to a Space Marine Chapter in that it can be requested to come to an army's aid, but generally, the leadership of the force (still haven't decided if it's a single man, or a 'council' type thing, etc.) decide when and where they will strike, and will probably have many contacts with various forces throughout the Imperium to keep tabs on where they're needed.I believe I will have their officers be at a slightly-lower-than-highest level, as I don't really want to claim that this army is the end-all-be-all and has the attention of the entire Imperium - I want the leadership to have various contacts, both with other Imperial Guard regiments and as well with the higher levels of the Adminstration on Terra.Originally Posted by Origin
As for friends, etc., SPECTRE will be a relatively newly established force, with only a couple of successful operations under its belt. I would like to build the fluff as I build the actual army, using actual battles to support my fluff and writing, so that it has an added sense of realism to it.Technically, they will most commonly be facing Eldar, Tau, Tyranids, and perhaps either Orks or various Space Marines chapters. I haven't got the fluff down for why they'd be attacking Space Marines yet, but I'll get it.Originally Posted by X-Slash-X
They would look akin to Kasrkin, true, but I wanted to take a different approach to my models. So far, the only difference I am going to use is to use Elysian Drop Trooper heads (with Respirators), which can be found on the Forge World website (12 to a pack) and the Cadian everything else. I am trying to figure out a way to get some good equipment for their backs as well as other things - combat knives, trying to convert their Lasguns to look different than standard Cadian ones, etc. So far, it seems like it may work fine. For the colour scheme, I'm considering, for the cloth, an urban camo scheme, if not black, and probably black or another dark shade for their armour. I haven't gotten to the models themselves yet, though, so the scheme can change quite readily.Very true, I didn't even think of that.Originally Posted by rp252
Maybe, civilians don't even live on the planet? i.e., it's a pure military world, and people aren't born there, but instead sent there to train and become a part of this elite force. I don't really want to mix in too much of a "standard" regiment feel with these guys.That just came to mind, actually. And yes, it is solely there for military training - there are no mines, no agriculture, etc. It depends entirely on the rest of the Imperium for food, ammunition, etc. They simply have one of the best training facilities to have been built in quite some time. So, I believe it's safe to say that the best are sent there to train, and therefore it eliminates the possible problems with having civilians, etc. on the same planet.Originally Posted by rp252Smaller than your everyday Imperial regiment (no billions of men here and all that) but not so small like a 10- or 20-man special operations team, as you would see nowadays. They call themselves a regiment, but probably don't have many more than some thousand - less than ten thousand, I'm sure.Originally Posted by rp252
I'm not super-familiar with the standard number of Imperial Guardsmen there are in the other regiments (Cadian, Steel Legion, etc.) but it is at least a lot smaller than those, typically.
Thanks to all of you for your engaging posts. ^_^ The questions you asked definitely gave me quite a bit of insight into my own army, and that's awesome. I'll be sure to get more written as soon as I think of it in an organised manner - in the meantime, +rep for all of you.
Some new stuff:
Located on the eastern outskirts of the Ultima Segmentum, 'Sanctuary' is a term used to describe the barren world where the elite training facilities of SPECTRE are located. It is a harsh and unforgiving world, devoid entirely of any life but that which comes to it from space - such as SPECTRE itself - and is quite a bit smaller than a 'standard' planet, sometimes even just called a moon or less.
The planet's mostly central location made it an ideal place to set up the SPECTRE regiment, as it allows them to get to almost anywhere they are needed in the Imperium in half the time it would take some other regiments. They need not go across the entire Imperium to reach somewhere - they are central enough to get to any place they are needed in equal amounts of time.
The government of Sanctuary is a purely military government. There are no ore deposits to be mined, and it is impossible (and not very wise) to try to set up anything even remotely related to argiculture. In this, the planet of Sanctuary is entirely dependent on other parts of the Imperium for food and supplies.
There is a single commander at the head of both the government and the SPECTRE force, as SPECTRE is the only human population on the planet. It is rumoured that the commander of SPECTRE, who is rarely seen actually fighting, has connections with the Ultima Segmentum commander, as, indeed, the Segmentum commander has taken a large interest in the proceedings of SPECTRE. It is thought by some that he was the one who, in fact, began SPECTRE in the first place as an experimental regiment designed for crisis situations.
Beneath the commander on Sanctuary, there is a small council of ten men. They run the basic proceedings of each day and, in turn, each commands a separate element of SPECTRE, splitting the fighting force into ten parts. This will be covered more in-depth later. This council is there so that the head commander may worry himself with more important matters and leave the day-to-day runnings of SPECTRE - supplies, training, etc. - in capable hands.
Many of the training facilities on Sanctuary are extremely high-tech, another indication that the Segmentum commander has shown interest in the force. Their training methods are extremely elite, and only the best from other Imperial worlds are sent to them to be trained as active members of SPECTRE. Since the fighting force is so small compared to most other Imperial regiments, the other commanders in the Imperium rarely have any issues when they are ordered to send a few of their best soldiers to some unheard-of planet - after all, they have a hundred more boys to take their place.
Sanctuary is mainly a rock-based world, with nothing in the way of vegetation. Half of the world is always covered in sunlight - intense sunlight, making for a very hot area - and the other half is covered in perpetual darkness, without any light to warm up the area. These harsh extremes make the planet another great training location for SPECTRE, as it allows them to train and perform in the extremes of temperatures and brightness.
----More to come, next: Organisation.
Well, you learn something new every day huh? I never knew that Women weren't allowed in modern day Special Ops. Shows how much I know, lol.
The more I read your story, the more I like it. They seem like the kind of force that the Imperium would send out to take out a rebel Space Marine Company. I'd better watch my back, lol.
Another question though: You say Sanctuary is always Light/Dark on their respective sides. Surely this would actually hinder training? I seem to remember that whenever a world is set up like this, the sun-lit side is always so hot that the surface actually melts, and volcanic erruptions are constant. In contrast, the dark side is always cold, so much that everything freezes in an instant. How would SPECTRE deal with these extremes?
Is gravity an issue? If there are little to no mineral deposits mass of Sanctuary will be rather small. This could be used to an advantage, as artificial gravity can be maintained and zero-low grav training environments would be abundant. This could lead to very useful connections (see below).Originally Posted by Lost NemesisFor this you would be totally reliant on the Imperial Navy since the Decree Passive laid down by Sebastian Thor forbids the Imperial Guard from maintaining it's own fleets. However should SPECTRE provide services to the Navy (Zero-G Combat anyone:yes: ) then they would be more than willing to provide above average support to the unit. On the other hand SPECTRE could be so important that it has been given priority transit authority by the Master of the Fleet.Originally Posted by Lost NemesisOriginally Posted by Lost Nemesis
Although i can understand the idea of purity it does not suit such a group/environment. The nature of the unit it's high tech equipment, the quality of troops and amount of time and governance that has been used for it's development would be a lot to gamble on very unreliable warp travel. Stock piles could be maintained, but there is nothing to stop a little underground hydroponic cultivation, that in the event that SPECTRE is cut of from the Imperium it can survive. It is a requirement of standard Imperial Worlds to defend and supply themselves, a military base should conform to these rules IMO. But having some servitors growing tomatoes in the core of the planet is far from uncool (i think).Intrigue and rumour.... who wonders, the troops? Is such thought encouraged? How much do they know of the Commander?Originally Posted by Lost NemesisWith technology come the Priests of Mars, who has arranged for their presence, and well guarded technologyOriginally Posted by Lost NemesisAs X-Slash-X said this gives birth to a whole range of geological pyrotechnics... but perhaps the world is dead and has no molten core.....Originally Posted by Lost Nemesis
Come Lad bring on the details..!!! Satisfy my obsessive desire for detail write until your hand bleeds..!!!!
Seriously liking what your doing, hope this helps make things a little more solid in your mind and open a few doors you maybe have not considered.
I don't want to turn this into any kind of real life feminist debate, but I still don't think that cuts it, especially since it's a stereoptype based on averages.Originally Posted by Lost Nemesis
In the old days, where soldiers would hack at each other with swords, strength was important. I don't see how, in an age of high tech weaponry, when accuracy matters ten times more than how hard you can throw a punch, an almost uninhabitable planet with a very small population would waste half of that population by having them sit around and crunch numbers. It doesn't make sense.
The only realistic argument for such a society keeping women off the front lines is for breeding purposes. There's no sense clothing and feeding a number cruncher when you have half a planet of them already. Unless of course they euthanize all the women they don't need..
The core idea is quite nice though.. however, the acronym SPECTRE was already used in James Bond..