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Anyone hear the theory that the iron hands space marine chapter may infact be dedicated to a c'tan god? thats the theory behind the planet of mars, there this huge C'tan serpetine god thingy, which is the omnissah, and the iron hands are way more dedicated to mars than terra. So, should we expect the iron hands to become turn coats?
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The only thing that points at that the Machine-God is the Void Dragon is that and Eldar prophecy says that the Dragon rests in the Vaul Moon.
If this mean forge world, then why can't it be anyother of the thousands of Forge Worlds in the Imperium? Why has it to be Mars?
Even if it turned out that the Ominissah is a C'tan then the Iron Hands would still stand at the side of teh Emperor, whom is their superior ruler in the end.
Last I heard, the Dragon and the Void Dragon were seperate things.. Eldar myth has several dragons (including the inspiration for the Fire Dragon aspect.)
But yes, there is a lot of solid stuff to say that there is a C'tan on Mars, and that there may be a faction in the Adeptus Mechanicus who worship or serve it. However, it's not the Machine god, and it's definately not the Omnissiah.. It may have inspired the machine god in the same way the Nightbringer inspired the grim reaper.. but it's not like every tech priest is secretly initiated into a C'tan cult once they get initiated.
I say the Iron Hands are loyalist, myself.. It's possible there are one or two dodgy marines in the chapter who know things they shouldn't, but they're stoic loyalists. In fact, they're even more stoic and unforgiving of heresy than most chapters..
On this subject, (I was scared when I first heard it), I agree with Mr. Mantis for the mostpart.
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What about the Iron Warriors? Is there any fluff pertaining to the connection between the IW, the IH and the C'Tan and machine god?
No... The Iron Warriors are siege-specialists, they had nothing to do with the AdMech (except using their machines of course) before the Heresy.
I think that long, long, long ago, before the Emperor was around, the Techpriests *did* worship a C'Tan. That's how they learned a lot of crazy technology and whatknot. BUT, since the C'Tan who's on Mars is still in hibernation, maybe the Techpriests were actually just translating artifactsd that they found, and not conversing with him directly? I don't think he woke up, muttered something, and fell back asleep again.
Not that it really matters, because an even more ancient scandal is how the Pariah Gene has been introduced into the human genepool... so, in a way, we were born as the test-tube-babies of the C'Tan way before the Adeptus Mechanicus even existed.
But I don't even know if anybody knows this anymore. That was sooooo long ago, and now that the Emperor is the center of the universe I think they might have forgotten (or erased) that part of their past. Maybe there's a couple crazy, closet-heretics in the Adeptus Mechanicus who still know though, and they cackle with evil glee at the thought of the irony...
Even if the exposure of the Techpriests to the C'Tan knowledge was unintentional, it still explains a LOT of the similarities between the Necrons and the Mechanicus, and the Iron Hands as well... the whole train of thought about casting off your weak, sinful flesh in favor of good old fashioned steel (er, Iron) is very reminiscent of the Necrontyr. But, I don't think it's intentional. The Iron Hands are sincere in that they just want to improve themselves to better serve the Emperor. (But, is the Emperor actually just a tool of the C'Tan??)
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I'm starting to sound like the arch-skeptic here, but while the C'tan definately like the Pariah gene, there's no evidence they initiated it consciously. It could just be a naturally occuring human mutation, like psykers.Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
That's a popular theory though, and you're probably right. I just don't think we can pass it off as fluff-truth just yet.
And most tech priests don't hate flesh.. indeed, some of the big high tech wonders of the Adeptus Mechanicus are bio-mechanical. True, there are probably a few hardliners, but for most it just seems to be about becoming closer to the machine god through integrating machines into the body, rather than cutting off weak, sinful bits of flesh.
But I agree there's very little connection between the Iron Warriors and the Iron Hands, or indeed the Adeptus Mechanicus. They have more connection to the Imperial Fists, who were the other siege specialists of the Imperium.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; November 29th, 2006 at 16:36.
I heard that the pariah gene is evident in all humans, just as the psyker gene is. And if the psyker gene outwieghs the pariah gene...viola, psyker, and vice versa. But for most humans, it' an equal(ish) balance.
I think I got that from the Eisenhorn Trilogy...not sure.
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This fluff is actually in the encron codex.
The necron codex tells you that the machine spirit and the dragon ctan are the one and the same thing and that the Iron Hands are completely devoted to it. They just don't know its a ctan.
If the Iron Hands ever discover that they were worshipping a ctan they would probably ditch him and stay with the emperor.
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