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*Please note that this thread would be considered a spoiler if you plan to read the Horus Heresy Book Trilogy.*
Right now I have two questions lurking in my mind since reading the Horus Heresy Trilogy. Great stuff bt the way, I certainly reccommend it. Anyway, my first question - What exactly happens during the first bit of book one? Loken confronts the well dressed man in the tower, then Targhost arrives with his assault squad. Then apparently, some God-like figure, previously invisible in the chair, arises and begins some sort of psychic explosion? The Horus teleports in and simply shoots the God thing with his bolter and kills it?
The second, what exactly happens when Horus is taken to the vaults beneath Terra? So in reality, Horus himself helped scatter his brothers? Would the emporer have no recognized him? Why was Horus so angry? Did the Emperor simply let the primarchs be scattered? Or what?
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Loken figured it out just before Horus arrived though and the False Emperor set off his explosion early.
I could be wrong on that account though.
well the novel depicts it somehow so that Horus really did go back intime. But in the story several custodial guards fire at him, and horus sees a man that he meets when he comes back to terra. Wouldnt that man rexognise Horus when he grows up?
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The vision was one of false intent, as far as I understood it.
It was there to show Horus how the Primarchs were created and not an actual travel in time.
The first thing i would say is to read the large Horus Heresey (the one with the big pages) books because they will help to spread some more light about the whole of what was going on during the Heresy such as why the Emperor gott so angry at Magnus.
Caluin is right about what happened in the tower. The Emperor was hiding waiting for Horus to come but Loken figured it out and the Emperor had to act early.
As for the time travel, he didn't actually travel in time but what he is shown during his "dream" is what actually happened in the past and then what would happen in the future. As im sure you noticed when he is in the room with the statues of the primarchs he only saw those of the primarchs who stayed loyal. This is clearly a true vision of the future gifted to him by the Chaos gods (he just doesn't interpret it as what was going to happen if he acts and sees it as what will happen if he doesn't and is tricked by it into what the Chaos gods wanted). That makes me think that what Horus saw of the scattering of the Primarchs really happened its just he was there as a bystander, but like in the vision of the future because it was a "vision" and not the real thing whatever he did during it didn't actually happen or was going to happen. I guesss it can be explained as a painted picture infront of you, you can see the picture and you can destroy it or whatever but what you do to the picture doesn't really happen to the place the picture is of. Horus is in the same situation, apart from he is confronted with a moving 3D picture around him, he can change it by attacking the custodians but he isn't actually affecting what happened. As for the Emperor coming and looking dissapointed, i see this as the real emperor coming and trying to disuade Horous from his course of action much like Magnus did, however as the "father" of Horus he reprimanded Horus in the same way as one does a teenage child, he showed dissapointment and told implied what he did was wrong but he didn't tell Horus directly what he should do. If someone could give me a page reference then i can address the issue about the tubes that the primarchs where in breaking and there scattering, but i believe my original explanation for that was that it was originaly done by warp powers on their own and mechanical failure of the warp containment of Imperial Palace however when Horus was shown what happened it was twisted so as to get across the point that the Chaos gods wanted and so to get Horus to their side.
Im sure i will come up with some more later,
Why not trust the HH graphic books, they are just as reliable a source of fluff as all the other books in the GW range, why trust the other HH books and not them, they are both published by GW with the intent of providing fluff and so should be regarded with as much worth as any other book.
No, I couldnâ€™t agree more with Da Mighty Camel: the Sabretooth Horus Heresy art books are not to be considered proper background books in my opinion.
First of all, the books were not published by Games Workshop, nor by Black Library, but by Sabretooth Games, a company that has never before been involved in the development of fiction for the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Secondly, the author of the fluff in the Visions series has never before written anything fluffy for the 40k universe, nor was he aided or edited by others authors of the fluff. Thirdly, the Visions seriesâ€™ fluff consistently contradicts other 40k fluff, older as well as newer than the series themselves.
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A few of the more obvious examples includes Fulgrim being possessed by a Daemon, which entirely destroys the symbolic fall of the Emperorâ€™s Children to Slaanesh, the death of Ferrus Manus whose fate is supposedly unknown, the Blood Angels first receiving their Black Rage during a fight against Daemons on the planet Signus rather than when Sanguinius died at the hands of Horus, the Emperor ascending the Golden Throne twice, Malcador ascending the Golden Throne, the Imperial Webway and the War in the Webway which has never before nor since been mentioned in any 40k fluff at all, and finally the Visions series is also apparently contradicted by the Black Library Horus Heresy series in that Torgaddon dies in the latter while he becomes a Chaos Champion in the former â€“ although it isnâ€™t entirely impossible that Ben Counter was playing a trick on us for whatever reason, though I doubt it.
If thereâ€™s something in the Visions series which does not contradict existing fluff, then I suppose you can use it for lack of better information, though I wouldnâ€™t put too much faith in it, but when it directly contradicts other fluff, I tend to go with the other, more reliable sources.
Last edited by Grephaun; December 4th, 2006 at 14:17.
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Well, on the pretense of the first dream being accurate. I don't think it was warped in any way, Horus was really seeing the statues and such accurately. I guess I'll have to reread the Terra Dream Scene. So from what I gather, this means that for some crazy random reason, a warp tunnel thing showed up inside Terra's dungeon with the Primarchs? And the Emporer let it happen? Or did he just see it?
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