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When does the Inquisition consider that a chapter has turned heretical?
A few ideas came to me (in no particular order):
1) Each Inquisitor is a power (i.e. judge, jury and executioner) in their own right. So one Inq may think that a chapter has turned heretical when another may not. For example, one Inq may just not like the colour scheme of the chapter and may consider it heretical and demands the chapter be terminated. Another Inq may like the colour scheme.
2) Does the Inquisition know/ understand the codex astartes? The space marines are meant to follow it but then there are some chapters who diverge. The best examples are the big chapters; BA, DA, SW, BT. I was thinking if an Inq knew they that the space marines are meant to follow the codex and don't, that may be considered heresy.
3) What is the Inquisitions opinion on the codex astartes? Do they think it's relevant? Or maybe essential? It is known that the legions were broken down due to the Horus Heresy and no man/ marine is meant to have that kind of power again. The codex prescribes that there be no more than 1000 marines in a chapter so the Inquisition may think it's relevant to stop another apocalypse.
Please, feel free to comment. I'm all ears
Black Templars 3000 points
Tau Empire 1750 points
Tyranids 1500 points
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At the end of the day though, an Inquisitor who randomly burns chapters he doesn't like the colour scheme of A. probably wouldn't have survived his acolyte training as he's clearly a bit loopy, and B. is opening himself up to investigation and censure by other inquisitors. If needs be, a group of inquisitors can get together to bring a rogue comrade to heel.I'd imagine all inquisitors know the Codex Astrates.. They're supposed to be the pinnacle of human ability, intellect and knowledge, so being unable to read would be a bit of a problem for them.Originally Posted by C'tan Pooky
Then again, Roboute Gulliman wasn't the Emperor, and, though of course there are exceptions, most inquisitors aren't foaming fanatics who see Heresy everywhere they go.. Subtlety is important to the inquisition.
Also, killing off massive amounts of Space Marines wouldn't help the Imperium much...
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Technically an Inquisitor can actually just point and declaim heresy and then get a Chapter excommunicated. That's what the Inquisition was built for, actually.
I put a strong emphasis on "technically." In reality, if anyone other than Coteaz tried it, chapter in question would be very miffed. They might even fight back. And they probably have more people on their side, as noble superhuman warrior-knights compared to the Inquisitor, who is frankly a very frightening, shadowy figure who no-one likes very much. And then other inquisitors will join in. And then the Guard will probably throw up arms when they're told to fight Space Marines. And then, before you know it, the Inquisition is calling you a traitor for spreading subversion and general mischief.
Even Coteaz would need some damn good evidence. And a big gun.
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They would have to if they have the ultimate authority over the Imperium after the Emperor. I wouldn't doubt that as Acolytes in the Schola Progenium that they extensively study the Codex Astartes and the Tactica Imperium, so that they can properly coordinate an attack with either the Space Marines or Imperial Guard, respectively, should the occasion arise.2) Does the Inquisition know/ understand the codex astartes? The space marines are meant to follow it but then there are some chapters who diverge. The best examples are the big chapters; BA, DA, SW, BT. I was thinking if an Inq knew they that the space marines are meant to follow the codex and don't, that may be considered heresy.I don't think that Inquisitors really have an opinion about the Codex, as the Marines are basically (for the most part) autonomous from the Imperium. While the =][= is responsible for inspecting the various Chapters for heresy or Daemonic influence (depending), they aren't really concerned with the various operation nuances of a Space Marine Chapter. To put simply, they probably know the Codex Astartes pretty well, but don't worry about the validity of it.3) What is the Inquisitions opinion on the codex astartes? Do they think it's relevant? Or maybe essential? It is known that the legions were broken down due to the Horus Heresy and no man/ marine is meant to have that kind of power again. The codex prescribes that there be no more than 1000 marines in a chapter so the Inquisition may think it's relevant to stop another apocalypse.
The Space Wolves have yet to be brought in by the Inquisition. Look how deviant they are...
Renember that the Codex isn't a set of rules, its simply a recommended template. Although some things like 1000 marines max is a set rule. If the Inquistion found out how many Black Templars there really are (hence they are allover the galaxy to avoid them) and would probaly get the more goody two shoes chapters to force them to break up into new chapters.
Also, to get serious retribution brought to bear against a chapter deemed heretic, they would need other space marines and would need damn strong evidence to get them to fight. And other chapters would defend the codemed ones, such as was the case during the Badab uprising....
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The Codex Astartes occupies an interesting place in Imperial military doctrine in that it was made for the Space Marines, a fighting force that is, for all intents and purposes, independent of Imperial administration. Many Imperial planets have never seen a Space Marine before, let alone knowing of their existence, and the standing armies of the Imperium, the Imperial Guard and the Imperial Navy, both have a separate philosophy altogether, the Tactica Imperialis. Therefore, if standard Imperial forces have their own military doctrine and an entire set of documents to go with it, why do they need to see the Codex Astartes? I expect that it is not normally distributed amongst the common soldiery of the Imperium as many of its tenets take into account the enhanced physiology and rapid redeployment abilities of Space Marines. However, it is unlikely that Inquisitors could not gain access to a copy of the Codex if they wished; there are very few places that an Inquisitor could not get into.
So, in theory, a chapter can be run any which way it wants, adhering to the codex or not, and the =][= won't care?
Let's say the BT's have 10,000 marines in total, not including neophytes, all over the galaxy. Now let's say they all get together at a backyard BBQ at the High Marshalls place. Would the =][= not be worried that 10,000 marines are in the one place at one time? If nothing else for the following reasons:
1) Wow, there's 10,000 marines down there at the BBQ. That is more power than I have, it must be heresy! I am an =][= for the love of the emperor! None is more important and hence should be more powerful than me!
2) If IF the marines down there wanted to turn on the emperor there would be little stopping them. They are x10 bigger than a full chapter, how would be we able to stop that? No! It must be stopped! I know it's only an IF, but who wants to take the chance of a second horus heresy?
I've only touched the BT's. I'm sure you could also draw similar pictures for the space wolves and heresy. Even if it is something as simple as they are more "feral" and hence are more "evil" than a regular marine.
Black Templars 3000 points
Tau Empire 1750 points
Tyranids 1500 points
Hordes of Chaos *Coming soon*
Ah, but see here's the thing: Inquisitors also operate outside Imperial jurisdiction so technically nothing is beyond the reach of the Inqusition and, more importantly, no one expects them! Actually, this isn't technically true, but I digress. The Black Templars are unlikely to attract the attention of the Inquisition in the slightest, even if a significant amount of them gathered in any one place because their loyalty to the Imperium is unquestionable given their xenophobic nature and extreme zeal. The Inquisition only truly keeps a close eye on Chapters that fail to submit their required tithes of geneseed or display certain dangerous abnormalities such as the Blood Angels and Space Wolves.
That being said, the Space Wolves are almost certainly under Inquisitorial surveillance because of their aberrant geneseed mutations, including but not limited to the Canis Helix and previous incidences of genetic corruption within their geneseed (see the Wolf Brothers for more details on this phenomenon). The Blood Angels, of course, suffer from the Black Rage as a defect of their geneseed and so are under observation in case something should happen to cause them to fall from the Emperor's grace.
I think that the two main misconceptions of the Inquisition are that they are a fanatical organisation in their defense of the Emperor's realm and that they are dedicated to preserving the power of the High Lords of Terra. Neither one of these is entirely true. You don't become an Inquisitor without passing the most stringent purity tests possible for human beings so Inquisitors are hardly corrupt. The fact that they wield a lot of temporal power means that the level of discipline and responsibility they have to demonstrate is even greater than normal. Even then, this power has limits because many commanders still resent Inquisitorial intervention and this can strain relations between the Inquisitor and the troops that he commands. The problem lies in the highest echelons of command, with the High Lords of Terra, one of whom is a representative of the Inquisition - they would seek to preserve their own power and it is their power that is truly threatened.
P.S: Well, it's not a Grephaun post but it's getting there... :tongue:
http://www.specialist-games.com/asse...ianSource.pdf), the Inquisition was founded to keep the Emperor on the Golden Throne. This was for reasons other than to keep the High Lords in power, but they're only there because the Golden Throne is required. And fanatical is far from a blanket term for Inquisitors. To quote the Inquisitor rulebook, "discretion is preferred to dogma", and so each Inquisitor is encouraged to interpret things like the Imperial Creed and the Codex Astartes as he/she sees fit.
*mutters about how the Inquisitor rulebook should be required reading for everyone in 40K*